Mazda Mobil start VS Viper smart start?

[andyg]

Since we keep cars for many years and my experience is the starter will go at certain point hence I have that concern. But can the APP of remote start control the HVAC (which I doubt it) or you have to preset the AC/heater/defroster in advance to prepare the next remote start? I imagine by using the Auto Mode would be the best with preset temperature. But what happen if your defroster was off but you need to start the engine remotely hoping the defroster is on to melt the ice in the cold winter morning?

Maybe remote start is not for you. In my experience, defroster or not, when the inside of the car begins to warm, the ice melts. I live in NJ, not the North Pole, so it works great for me.

 

[thedaddyb]

Hello All:

I looked into the Viper SmartStart system for my 2016 CX5 GT, and even brought it to the Viper dealer for installation. At first, they said no problem, but after a week with the car, they determined they could not get the Viper system to work as they thought they could, it would not remote start. They even brought in Viper engineers but as of now (actually 2 weeks ago), Viper does NOT have a remote start solution for the 2016 CX5.

Ultimately, I researched the Compustar systems and brought the vehicle to a local Compustar dealer for installation. Compustar DOES have a solution for the 2016 CX-5. I left the car with them just before departing on a business trip, and the system was installed and working perfectly upon my return. Compustar has the Drone Mobile option, which is their smartphone app. It works via Verizon cellular and does pretty much everything the Viper one would have done. I also had the "EZ-Go" installed, which is a very small module you carry (attached to the key ring) and it unlocks the vehicle when you approach it (and relocks when you walk away). I am very satisfied with the Compustar. I did inquire with my dealer about MMS and they said they never did one before, and I didn't want to be their beta-tester. If anyone would like more detail, feel free to PM me.

Sounds like the first shop you took your vehicle to didn't know what they were doing. Any decent shop should carry multiple brands and platforms. You need to in this day and age, where all of the different brands are competing for the first and best solution for cars as they come out. The viper system could have been paired with an Idatalink or Fortin interface product that will work on the 2016. (one of which was used with your compustar product)

You sir are very patient to allow a shop to sit on your car for a week. The line about "viper engineers" coming out to look at it is total BS as well. I've dealt with Directed tech support for years, and they aren't sending engineers out to random shops because they ran into an issue with an install. I'm glad you had a good experience with the second shop. I would recommend that you steer clear of the first shop for good.

 

[Ride92]

I believe the MMS allows you to control the HVAC system via the remote so that you can adjust the temps and turn on defrosters if needed. I'm unsure about the Viper app or the compustar app if theose have that feature. Regular remote starters don't have that feature, that's one thing that make the mobile starters so intriguing.

As for the starter, I really don't think it will be that big of an issue for me. Remote start will only be used when the car has been sitting in the hot sun for long periods or in the cold winters when it's snowed and the car is out side or it's bitter cold. We have baby #2 due in October so having a warm car to get into would be great appreciated.

I also wonder what is the lesser of two evils with the remote starters, Having to start the car again it shuts of when you get in, or driving with an extremely cold engine before it's allowed to warm up?

I guess I'll have to do some more research and visit some install shops to get their inputs. I'm on the fence about all of them. The MMS seems to take awhile and has a cumbersome app from the sounds of it. Viper and Compustar use Verizon 3g signal which should be pretty stout. I also like that the Viper says it will work with siri, that would be cool, Siri, start my car.... car is started, no app to open or futz with. Does the compustar system do that to?

 

[Panther]

I believe the MMS allows you to control the HVAC system via the remote so that you can adjust the temps and turn on defrosters if needed. I'm unsure about the Viper app or the compustar app if theose have that feature. Regular remote starters don't have that feature, that's one thing that make the mobile starters so intriguing.

As for the starter, I really don't think it will be that big of an issue for me. Remote start will only be used when the car has been sitting in the hot sun for long periods or in the cold winters when it's snowed and the car is out side or it's bitter cold. We have baby #2 due in October so having a warm car to get into would be great appreciated.

I also wonder what is the lesser of two evils with the remote starters, Having to start the car again it shuts of when you get in, or driving with an extremely cold engine before it's allowed to warm up?

I guess I'll have to do some more research and visit some install shops to get their inputs. I'm on the fence about all of them. The MMS seems to take awhile and has a cumbersome app from the sounds of it. Viper and Compustar use Verizon 3g signal which should be pretty stout. I also like that the Viper says it will work with siri, that would be cool, Siri, start my car.... car is started, no app to open or futz with. Does the compustar system do that to?

Morning Ride92,

With the MMS you can not change the temp inside the car, when started the settings that you've left it at
will be what you have when you start it. You can either turn off or turn on the Electric Defroster after it's started,
but I think that's a timed event and will shut itself off after a certain time frame, as with the motor running timer.

The MMS is a little using intensive, but for those times that I want to use it, the min or so it takes isn't going to be
an issue for me and the reason's we had it ordered with it. I'm hoping in the future Mazda might be able to make the
login process "Fingerprint Scanner" which would sure speed things up and also be a good safety feature.

The MMS isn't for everyone, and I'm sure as the technology/need evolves it will get better, faster, and less expensive.
For Me, this was a the perfect solution, for other's I'm sure they will select what they want or don't want
and is what's best for them.

It's like everything else, nothing does it all, and if it does, I couldn't afford it !!!!

 

[MikeM.]

I also wonder what is the lesser of two evils with the remote starters, Having to start the car again it shuts of when you get in, or driving with an extremely cold engine before it's allowed to warm up?

Driving off on a cold engine is not bad in any way, just don't floor it or redline it.

In fact, the manual says to only warm up a cold engine for "about 10 seconds" and "avoid long warm-ups. Once the engine begins to run smoothly, begin driving."

Even in frigid arctic weather (-20F) this should only take 30 seconds to a minute maximum.


What is evil, is long warm-ups. An engine with a moderate load on it is a happy engine. Idling is bad.

 

[littlebear]

Mazda dealer informed me that they are not ordering cars with the MMS because of complaints and that it take 10 minutes after accessing the APP for the car to start.

Is this true?

Can the MMS be added later on or should it be added at the factory?

 

[Panther]

Mazda dealer informed me that they are not ordering cars with the MMS because of complaints and that it take 10 minutes after accessing the APP for the car to start.

Is this true?

Can the MMS be added later on or should it be added at the factory?

Howdy Littlebear,

I'm going to have to Call BS on the 10mins !!!! I just checked mine with not a really fast
connection and it was right at 4 mins.

The Dealer can put it in, not sure what they will charge for Installing it.
I think it's about 1.5 hours of labor or maybe more.

I know the Port can, as that's who did mine.

If you have one put on later, the Compustar sure sounds like a great option
and 1/2 the price.

 

[Ride92]

Does the MMS require one of the key fobs to live inside a immobilizer in the car somewhere? Correct me if I'm wrong but the aftermarket systems need to have the key fob in the car to trick the ignition into thinking that a key is present in order to start the car. I just wish I could re program the standard fob, that would be so much easier to deal with. I hate having to carry more in my pockets then necessary. My key ring now consists of the fob and the key to my house, that's it.

 

[Panther]

Does the MMS require one of the key fobs to live inside a immobilizer in the car somewhere? Correct me if I'm wrong but the aftermarket systems need to have the key fob in the car to trick the ignition into thinking that a key is present in order to start the car. I just wish I could re program the standard fob, that would be so much easier to deal with. I hate having to carry more in my pockets then necessary. My key ring now consists of the fob and the key to my house, that's it.

Howdy Ride92,

I am not aware of it if it is, we have both of our Fobs.

 

[littlebear]

Howdy Littlebear,

I'm going to have to Call BS on the 10mins !!!! I just checked mine with not a really fast
connection and it was right at 4 mins.

The Dealer can put it in, not sure what they will charge for Installing it.
I think it's about 1.5 hours of labor or maybe more.

I know the Port can, as that's who did mine.

If you have one put on later, the Compustar sure sounds like a great option
and 1/2 the price.

How reliable are the Compustar systems?

There are 2 PRO dealers out here for ComputStar. Do they allow for one to enter the vehicle and drive away without having the car shut off?

 

[Panther]

How reliable are the Compustar systems?

There are 2 PRO dealers out here for ComputStar. Do they allow for one to enter the vehicle and drive away without having the car shut off?

Howdy Littlebear,

I think the Compustar is a new system as well, and I'm not savvy about all the
new things out there. That's why at the time I ordered mine with the MMS installed,

I'm sure it's like everything else, there's going to be more and more technology
and it'll come fast once there's a market for it.

I don't think any of the remote starts are going to let the car keep running,
I'm sure there's some kind of Liability Issue involved with everyone not offering it.

 

[littlebear]

I talked to one of the ComputStar PRO installers and he said it takes 5-8 hours to install and it requires wire splicing and module installs. The CompuStar offers an alarm with it also (shock, motion, broken glass, etc).

Also confirmed that the car WILL turn off upon entry. It's a factory fail safe since they were experiencing starter problems when the vehicle kept running.

All of the wire splicing makes me nervous since this can VOID the factory warranty.

 

[littlebear]

Is the Mazda Remote Start or the MSS installed AT THE FACTORY IN JAPAN or does it get installed at the dealership?

 

[Kedis82ZE8]

I thought it was a port installed but can be installed anytime after the fact and apparently '16+

http://www.mazdaparts.org/mazda-parts-cx5-mobile-start.html

Installation

 

[thedaddyb]

Does the MMS require one of the key fobs to live inside a immobilizer in the car somewhere? Correct me if I'm wrong but the aftermarket systems need to have the key fob in the car to trick the ignition into thinking that a key is present in order to start the car. I just wish I could re program the standard fob, that would be so much easier to deal with. I hate having to carry more in my pockets then necessary. My key ring now consists of the fob and the key to my house, that's it.

The original aftermarket solution for the CX-5, 3 and 6 required the loss of a key for the remote start to function. That has not been the case since 2014 when they were able to "crack" the factory immobilizer.

Fortin makes a basic remote start stand alone solution where you can use the factory FOB to start the car (press lock 3x). You wouldn't have to carry any additional remotes but will be limited to the range of the factory remotes.

I talked to one of the ComputStar PRO installers and he said it takes 5-8 hours to install and it requires wire splicing and module installs. The CompuStar offers an alarm with it also (shock, motion, broken glass, etc).

Also confirmed that the car WILL turn off upon entry. It's a factory fail safe since they were experiencing starter problems when the vehicle kept running.

All of the wire splicing makes me nervous since this can VOID the factory warranty.

That original solution that I mentioned does require the loss of a key but did allow for key takeover where you can hop in and go as long as you have a key on your person. (installed that in my wife's cx-5 before the other option was available) All of the new solutions will shut the vehicle off as soon as a door is opened.

Additionally, it won't void the factory warranty. It can however void the warranty on whatever components it is tied into. So if your smart key module failed or a BCM fried, the dealer could try to blame it on the remote start. (which they could then take up with the shop that did the install) If your transmission blew up, it is completely unrelated to the remote start and the dealer could not legally void your warranty.

 

[andyg]

Does the MMS require one of the key fobs to live inside a immobilizer in the car somewhere? Correct me if I'm wrong but the aftermarket systems need to have the key fob in the car to trick the ignition into thinking that a key is present in order to start the car. I just wish I could re program the standard fob, that would be so much easier to deal with. I hate having to carry more in my pockets then necessary. My key ring now consists of the fob and the key to my house, that's it.

My Compustar did NOT require me to sacrifice a key fob. One was needed for programming, but I got it back. In other words, I have the same two key fobs I started with from the dealer.

 

[Ride92]

Fortin makes a basic remote start stand alone solution where you can use the factory FOB to start the car (press lock 3x). You wouldn't have to carry any additional remotes but will be limited to the range of the factory remotes.

Can you get me any more information on this? This would be the best case scenario for me. No annual fee, no waiting for apps to load, no carrying extra fobs around. My wifes audi has a basic avatal remote start that was programmed to work with the factory fob, three clicks and it starts, it's exactly what I'm after.

 

[thedaddyb]

Can you get me any more information on this? This would be the best case scenario for me. No annual fee, no waiting for apps to load, no carrying extra fobs around. My wifes audi has a basic avatal remote start that was programmed to work with the factory fob, three clicks and it starts, it's exactly what I'm after.

http://fortin.ca/

The EVO-ALL is the module you are looking for. The best part is that the data module can work on it's own, so you don't have to add the expense of a remote stat system. It's a nice system. I've installed a few of them. You can also add an optional shock sensor for an alarm upgrade.

 

[Ride92]

http://fortin.ca/

The EVO-ALL is the module you are looking for. The best part is that the data module can work on it's own, so you don't have to add the expense of a remote stat system. It's a nice system. I've installed a few of them. You can also add an optional shock sensor for an alarm upgrade.

So you are saying is that all I need is the Evo-All module and that that will be able to start the car with three clicks of the button? There is no need to get a different, separate remote start system or anything? I am very excited about this system. I checked out their website and it does say the '16 CX-5 is compatible but doesn't go into much detail on how it works.

 

[thedaddyb]

So you are saying is that all I need is the Evo-All module and that that will be able to start the car with three clicks of the button? There is no need to get a different, separate remote start system or anything? I am very excited about this system. I checked out their website and it does say the '16 CX-5 is compatible but doesn't go into much detail on how it works.

The 16' is compatable with the system. It is a universal system, so it needs to be flashed for the vehicle/install type and then wired into the car. It can operate as a standalone system where you use the factory FOBs to start, a stand alone system paired with extended range remotes (where you carry extra remotes), or tied into a any aftermarket remote start system Directed, Compustar, Audiovox etc.