FreedomFries
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i can't believe you people why do you need mazda to turbo charge their cars you can do it yourself and the same applies to in-car tech. you are just paying for the badge otherwise.
Mazda considering a Mazdaspeed2
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utmorpheus
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That's only to name a few reasons. There are many others:
4) Many people do not have the time to be without a car in order to have such a system installed and perfected, which can take weeks and even months of tinkering to get right sometimes.
5) Many people would like to pay to have their car the way they want it from the beginning.
6) A car that is engineered to handle a certain amount of power has proper suspension, brakes and transmission meant to live with that power and work as a cohesive system.
4) Many people do not have the time to be without a car in order to have such a system installed and perfected, which can take weeks and even months of tinkering to get right sometimes.
5) Many people would like to pay to have their car the way they want it from the beginning.
6) A car that is engineered to handle a certain amount of power has proper suspension, brakes and transmission meant to live with that power and work as a cohesive system.
Chris_Top_Her
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And typically better fit/finish reliabillity..
Font Motorsports
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Some of us want it straight from the factory and to not have to deal with creating a turbo/supercharger kit. Plus what utmorpheus, inspekt and Chris_Top_Her mentioned.
Plus, what's to get upset about buddy? (uhm)
Plus, what's to get upset about buddy? (uhm)
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Font Motorsports
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Yes. but the "New base Mini" is now a turbo 3 cylinder. And the big block in the Kia/Hyundai is a shared unit. The Fiesta is up there in power, but like the Kia/Hyundai, a little hefty. And the Yaris is just downright ugly IMO.
Chris_Top_Her
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Pretty much leaves the mazda 2 and mirage
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deadlydave
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At minimum, there's no way you could 'build' a 2 with even the same acceleration performance as a Fiesta ST for anywhere near as cheap as the ST.
Mazda's a clever, engineering-driven company. I don't know if I'd expect a 140HP engine, but there are other ways for the total package to lap the autocross course or track as fast as an ST. They had to polish the base fiesta from a somewhat lethargic turd into a very shiny pocket rocket. The 2 already has the fundamentals down.
Apples to apples, Yes you can. BUT...it's a big but. ST is .7mm lower than the M2, so you lower it using a relatively conservative spring ($290 or less for HR) and better struts ($400 or less for the CS units), Has stiffer rear beam and larger front sway bar ($385 for the RB set), has 17" wheels, but can run 15" so that's a wash, Dynotronics proposed FI kit even conservatively at 50whp put the MZ2 @ 150 at the crank with a 2280lb weight. ST is @197 HP dragging around 2550 plus. I think it's a dead heat.
Here's the big BUT ; the FiST is $21,000 ish (cheapest I've seen them for a base stripper model), the M2 is $13,000 (yes you can get them for that) plus $5,000 for everything else including labor.
This is basing the performance on speculation on the Dynotronics kit...it could go up...
140hp stock would be a great place to start though!
Hell yeah imagine after a tune, full exhaust and intake! Could see 160!
Base MSRP for a Mazda2 Sport is $14720. Base MSRP for a Fiesta ST is $21400. That's a difference of $6680. For that cost the 2 can be upgraded with better suspension, better brakes (Fiesta ST has rear disks), better wheels and tires, and a turbocharger with ECU tune to bring a base to similar performance figures as a Fiesta ST. What you don't get is the better interior, better infotainment system, better transmission, and most importantly, a warranty. Everyone here will dismiss the interior and infotainment system but the last two are. Can the 2's transmission support 200 hp? What if the Dynotronics FI system fails? Then what? If the Fiesta ST turbo dies take it to Ford and get it fixed under warranty.
I have no doubt if Mazda applied themselves to a Mazdaspeed2 it would be a better car than the Fiesta ST. It would be more expensive. A check is to compare the MSRP for a base Fiesta to the Fiesta ST: $13865 to $21400. That's a difference of $7535. Apply that same difference to the base 2 Sport MSRP and and the result is a MSRP of $22255 for a hypothetical MS2. That's more than a base 3 with similar performance numbers, less features, less space, and worse fuel economy. While Ford may get away with this between the Fiesta ST and Focus, Mazda is not in the habit of producing competing vehicles; especially in the U.S.
So. if the 2015 Mazda2 and the Yaris are to be built on the same line in Mexico, is it safe to assume ( I know) that they'll share the same power plant? If so, looks like 3 engines: 1.0L 69hp/70tq. 1.33L 100hp/90tq and a 100hp hybrid. I hope we get more power but theres no mention of any changes for the U.S. market. Usually if it's only a Europe/JDM offering, they'll print just the metric engine power numbers (kW/nM) but here they printed both HP and the metric stuff. Not looking good. More weight, taller and less power. BUT does have a nicer face...
I'm good where I'm at unless we get at least 125hp base. that will make it worth it.
BTW.
Unfortunately No mention of a TRD kit.....yet
another note, the article says this Yaris is to be built in France, so maybe the new twins are to be built here for Europe models ? If THIS is the case, there is still hope.
http://toyotaforce.com/2016-toyota-yaris-concept-engine/
I'm good where I'm at unless we get at least 125hp base. that will make it worth it.
BTW.
Unfortunately No mention of a TRD kit.....yet
another note, the article says this Yaris is to be built in France, so maybe the new twins are to be built here for Europe models ? If THIS is the case, there is still hope.
http://toyotaforce.com/2016-toyota-yaris-concept-engine/
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Chris_Top_Her
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Well.. they need to hurry up; there is an AWD, turbo charged mirage now.. http://www.caradvice.com.au/310491/mitsubishi-r5-mirage-ready-take-on-wrc-2-in-2015/
Very cool, but civilian production? You can make anything a rally car with enough $$$$$. But hey, it's a Msubishi, it will run great; Most days. Some days, not so much.
Chris_Top_Her
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Well yea but, that stuff trickles down to the average joe. most of it is OTS parts..
Damn. I might have to buy one of those. Ive owned two factory turbo Dodge Colt GTS's over the years. Which are rebadged Mirages. Man i kinda miss those little hatch backs.
deadlydave
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