hello everybody, this is a great site, just like MX6.com. So insider, you work for Mazda eh? I'm really torn on whether to get the p5 or to wait for the Mazda3. Have test driven the P5 and like the handling, but like everyone else says, more power would be good. So how is the Mazda3 supposed to handle? I know the power will be increased but what about handling? I will be autocrossing whatever car I get, so a great handling car is a must. And seriously, you said November eh? so what does that mean? mid 2004 in reality? and any new news on a mazdaspeed P5? Think I'll prefer that over the Mazda3.
Mazda 3 delayed to 2005
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I know I put it in this forum somewhere but I have no idea where so here is is.
2 engines for the 4 door. 2.0 rated at 148hp and a 2.3 rated at 160hp. the trans will remain the same. (sport shift 4 speed).
The wagon only gets the 2.3
The cars were bench marked of the 3 series BMW as far a driving dynamics. So that shound give you a idea as the haw we want the veh to handle.
2 engines for the 4 door. 2.0 rated at 148hp and a 2.3 rated at 160hp. the trans will remain the same. (sport shift 4 speed).
The wagon only gets the 2.3
The cars were bench marked of the 3 series BMW as far a driving dynamics. So that shound give you a idea as the haw we want the veh to handle.
Insider, you used the word "wagon". Is it going to be more of a classic wagon shape or do you mean a 5-door hatch? An extended backend can be a detriment to handling, and is a concern for me. I have to say though, if the BMW 3-series was the benchmark, I would have liked to see RWD. 
Or perhaps that's asking too much for under 20K, which I think is the price range yes?
Also seen pics of it on this website, will it be as tall as the Matrix? :'( Cause if so, I'm getting the P5 before it runs out, or wait till the 3 comes out and the price for the P5 gets slashed.
Last question is whether the 3 will have the roof spoiler or lip like the P5? that changes the way a wagon looks tremendously, don't you think?
Or perhaps that's asking too much for under 20K, which I think is the price range yes? Also seen pics of it on this website, will it be as tall as the Matrix? :'( Cause if so, I'm getting the P5 before it runs out, or wait till the 3 comes out and the price for the P5 gets slashed.
Last question is whether the 3 will have the roof spoiler or lip like the P5? that changes the way a wagon looks tremendously, don't you think?
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- 2010 Mazda 3 (RIP Mazda P5)
DAMN thats ugly
AbbyVonNormal said:
The rear of the car in that picture is completely un-representative - the camouflauge was purposely done like that so people can't see what the rear looks like. If you want to properly see the wagon's shape/profile, look at the MX Sportif.
The Mazda3 wagon will be like the current Pro5 and not a 'classic' wagon shape (Mazda's 'classic' wagon is the Mazda6 wagon).
TURBO3WAGON
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That sucks! :mad:
I'm glad I bought my SPEED.
F O R D = failiure of research & development
FORD SUCKS, and will cause mazda to suck in the future...
(rant)
I'm glad I bought my SPEED.
F O R D = failiure of research & development
FORD SUCKS, and will cause mazda to suck in the future...
(rant)
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I posted this a while ago, but most of you probably missed it so I'll post it again.
Here are some specs (note height for those afraid the 3 is a Matrix/Vibe clone):
MX Sportif Specifications
Overall Length - 4350mm
Overall Width - 1760mm
Overall Height - 1450mm
Wheelbase - 2640mm
Track, front/rear - 1535/1530mm
2003 Protege 5 Specifications
Overall Length - 4331mm
Overall Width - 1705mm
Overall Height - 1420mm
Wheelbase - 2610mm
Track, front/rear - 1465/1470mm
Here are some specs (note height for those afraid the 3 is a Matrix/Vibe clone):
MX Sportif Specifications
Overall Length - 4350mm
Overall Width - 1760mm
Overall Height - 1450mm
Wheelbase - 2640mm
Track, front/rear - 1535/1530mm
2003 Protege 5 Specifications
Overall Length - 4331mm
Overall Width - 1705mm
Overall Height - 1420mm
Wheelbase - 2610mm
Track, front/rear - 1465/1470mm
MX Sportif Specifications
Overall Length - 4350mm
Overall Width - 1760mm
Overall Height - 1450mm
Wheelbase - 2640mm
Track, front/rear - 1535/1530mm
Toyota Matrix:
Overall Length - 4351mm
Overall Width - 1775 mm
Overall Height - 1539mm
Difference in height: 89 mm/3.5 in
The Matrix is definitely taller, but I think it's the proportion of glass/sheetmetal that makes it look so tall.
Overall Length - 4350mm
Overall Width - 1760mm
Overall Height - 1450mm
Wheelbase - 2640mm
Track, front/rear - 1535/1530mm
Toyota Matrix:
Overall Length - 4351mm
Overall Width - 1775 mm
Overall Height - 1539mm
Difference in height: 89 mm/3.5 in
The Matrix is definitely taller, but I think it's the proportion of glass/sheetmetal that makes it look so tall.
BlueMP5Dave
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- 2005 Winning Blue RX-8
I just sat in one the other day here in Vegas it is a nice car.
It is on sale now!!!
Hey,
I was passing by my dealership here in Raleigh and they have like 12 of them on the lot. I pulled in and there they were....2004 Sedans and Sport Wagons(thats what I call the hatch). Rep comes out of the showroom and sees my P5 and says " you want to drive the new 3 hatch/wagon?" I said sure.
I immediately noticed it is about the same height as my P5. But it is a little longer and wider. The room inside seems a little more generous and it seems to be a higher quality assembly than my P5. When I started it, there was definitely a difference in the sound of that 2.3 compared to my "cold-noise afflicted" 2.0 P5(even after it has had the so-called fix-which did not fix it at all). It is a much nicer sound even when icy cold and during the whole test drive.
I did not want to admit liking it, but I did. It handles great, MUCH better ride quality(they got rid of the rice rocket feel over tar strips and bumps) and it is quieter. It is for the money, a lot more car. I felt like I was driving a much more expensive automobile!
The cargo area has these neat little cubby holes for small storage and the glove compartment is HUGE! It will hold a lap top and then some. I swear you could also put a six pack in there with your lap top (do not recommend that though). The gauges are very cool. They copied Lexus on that and they look really cool at night with the blue accents against the red glow. The steering wheel has more adjustments but the drivers seat lost one of its height adjustments compared to my P5. I still got relatively comfortable behind the wheel. There is now a blind spot with the new rear side window design that was not there with the P5 design.
Now, do I wanna buy it??...Yea maybe, and, if my insurance does not go up ski high. But I cannot help that side profile looking like a Pontiac Vibe. But it is definitely a very nice ride!
Hey,
I was passing by my dealership here in Raleigh and they have like 12 of them on the lot. I pulled in and there they were....2004 Sedans and Sport Wagons(thats what I call the hatch). Rep comes out of the showroom and sees my P5 and says " you want to drive the new 3 hatch/wagon?" I said sure.
I immediately noticed it is about the same height as my P5. But it is a little longer and wider. The room inside seems a little more generous and it seems to be a higher quality assembly than my P5. When I started it, there was definitely a difference in the sound of that 2.3 compared to my "cold-noise afflicted" 2.0 P5(even after it has had the so-called fix-which did not fix it at all). It is a much nicer sound even when icy cold and during the whole test drive.
I did not want to admit liking it, but I did. It handles great, MUCH better ride quality(they got rid of the rice rocket feel over tar strips and bumps) and it is quieter. It is for the money, a lot more car. I felt like I was driving a much more expensive automobile!
The cargo area has these neat little cubby holes for small storage and the glove compartment is HUGE! It will hold a lap top and then some. I swear you could also put a six pack in there with your lap top (do not recommend that though). The gauges are very cool. They copied Lexus on that and they look really cool at night with the blue accents against the red glow. The steering wheel has more adjustments but the drivers seat lost one of its height adjustments compared to my P5. I still got relatively comfortable behind the wheel. There is now a blind spot with the new rear side window design that was not there with the P5 design.
Now, do I wanna buy it??...Yea maybe, and, if my insurance does not go up ski high. But I cannot help that side profile looking like a Pontiac Vibe. But it is definitely a very nice ride!
