May Photography Contest - Voting Thread
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rednecks_r_us
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I voted for Truc (tonkabui)
iLisa said:i wonder if they will continue to do this contest.. there isn't much interest in it anymore..
I don't know why. I think its a great contest. I think if the voting threads were put up sooner or something. There just seems to be a lot of downtime. I'd almost do it even if there were no prized but the prizes give incentive. Oh well.
nate0123 said:
i'm sorry. i don't know what i'm supposed to say to this. sounds like an allegation almost. i really hope the poll turns public so people can see exactly how the voting went.
in the meantime, how about the picture i was trying to submit that is untouched in post-process? i had to settle for the other one since the forum was being weird and wouldn't take the upload.
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tonkabui said:i'm sorry. i don't know what i'm supposed to say to this. sounds like an allegation almost. i really hope the poll turns public so people can see exactly how the voting went.
in the meantime, how about the picture i was trying to submit that is untouched in post-process? i had to settle for the other one since the forum was being weird and wouldn't take the upload.
I like that pic even better.
tonkabui said:
It is very strange voting behavior that should be investigated. I think everyone appreciates your open position since you probably have nothing to worry about.
tonkabui said:
I've seen some posters in this thread allude to their preference to no post-processing. I really hope this doesnt become a trend or even informal rule of the contests. IMO, its easy to tell when a picture has been unnaturally modified in PS and in those cases voters can show their dislike with their votes. But to say that all PP is "bad and automatically de-values a photographer's effort" is a little naive.
Post Processing, the way I approach it, is a lot like Ansel Adams' approach to darkroom work. He had many techniques to modify the look of a final print. He very carefully selected which development process to use to develop the negative. He selected the paper brand, finish and development process based on how it changed the look of the image. He used global and spot filter adjustments to change contrast. He burned and dodged parts of the image to make them darker or lighter. This is all accepted as a NECESSARY part of picture production when using film, paper, and chemicals; why do some here hold those very same change against a photograph(er) when only 1's and 0's are involved?
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iLisa said:meh.. it is just a fun contest! I dont think tonkabui would do anything to rig the contest.. (dunno)
and I blurred the edges of my Capitol pic in Photochop.
Truc didn't do anything to rig the contest. Remember he used to live in Arizona and I'm not the only from AZ on these forums. So my guess would be that a lot of people from AZ voted for him.
Kind of a home-town thing.
Sort of like when they announced the winner if this receint American Idle. She from Phoenix and the whole state went wild in support of her.
Tonkabui is one of the founding fathers of Arizona Mazda Club (MAZDASPORTS) so we all support him. Nothing illegal about that.
Plus he captures some awesome pictures
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Yay, I got a vote, and it wasnt even me voting for myself.
To the other backpacking soul out there....thanks!
Jason
To the other backpacking soul out there....thanks!
Jason
I didn't mean to accuse him of anything. I was really just noting a very unusual voting pattern.rednecks_r_us said:
I would hope that in the spirit of fair competition, that his votes were received based on the merit of his photo and not because they like the guy. I like the guy too. I just sucks to turn this into a popularity contest.
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I like his fireworks picture a lot but I like the one he meant to post even better.
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What's the june contest
NVP5White said:
i'm not saying PP is bad. it just seems like people here are questioning the validity of not only the votes for my picture, they're also questioning my photographs, so i just wanted to post a picture that wasn't touched in post to show them what i had to work with. anything published of mine has been processed. in fact, i don't think any pic in my port is straight from the camera be it film or digital. in the days of darkrooms, burning, dodging, contrast filters, cross chemical processing, etc. were all tools of the trade i used to make the images better or to get a look i was after. it's no different in photoshop now. how is processing an image and different than capturing an image? it's all part of the image making process.
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I think what people are getting at is 2 people submit separate photos "Photo A is better then Photo B" comparing original to original.
Photo B is enhanced to become better then Photo A. Which is the better picture?
Are we voting on image creativity, capturing angles, lights, quality of original photo being reproduced in the camera, or is it all about time and skill in editing.
Some one could take an amazing photo by risking their necks climbing a high rise and pan out just right and take the picture, but some one else could just walk outside and take a picture of their mail box and edit the balls out of it and win.
I think photo editing should be allowed in this contest and we should be voting on final product vs final product. If people who take great pics suck at editing then they should have some one else edit it and split the winnings if they are nice. That or don't compete, or find another competition.
Photo B is enhanced to become better then Photo A. Which is the better picture?
Are we voting on image creativity, capturing angles, lights, quality of original photo being reproduced in the camera, or is it all about time and skill in editing.
Some one could take an amazing photo by risking their necks climbing a high rise and pan out just right and take the picture, but some one else could just walk outside and take a picture of their mail box and edit the balls out of it and win.
I think photo editing should be allowed in this contest and we should be voting on final product vs final product. If people who take great pics suck at editing then they should have some one else edit it and split the winnings if they are nice. That or don't compete, or find another competition.
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I have a few things I would like to express my concern about after re-reading this thread.
Let me start by saying that I hope this post does not directly offend anyone. I apologize in advance if you feel as if this post is being directed towards you.
Fist topic: Photo Submission- The first thing that I would like to change, are the actual photo submission rules. The only reason prizes are offered, is to give people an incentive to go out and take pictures. It serves a double purpose, as the person who wins also gets rewarded for their efforts. However, I have a problem when there is no effort involved in the process. I see no reason why anyone should be rewarded for posting a picture that they took three summers ago, or anything of that nature. It kind of defeats the entire purpose of the prize. I believe I give everyone more than enough time to go out, take some photos, edit them if need be, and post an image they think best captures that months topic. Do you guys want/ need more time? Since this was never an official rule of the contest, there is nobody at fault for this. I cannot expect you guys to follow something that was never formally voiced. This is something that I would simply like to change for future contests.
Next Topic: Voting - Please vote based on the actual image that is posted, and not on the person who posted the image. This is not meant to be a popularity contest. Voting should be based on the merit of the photo, not the merit of the member. I don't care if the Jessica Alba herself submitted a photo here; If another member posted an image that I thought was better, then he or she gets my vote. We all have friends, and most of us are "friends" on this forum. Voting on your friends picture takes validity away from the actual contest. It discourages other members from wanting to get involved. Both first time contestants, and "veterans" have no desire to compete in a contest where they feel that no matter what they post, they have no chance of winning. Saying all of this, understand that I do expect there to be some of this going on, no matter what. I cannot single handedly stop members from voting on their friends. There is no way for me to stop or control this. It boils down to the members of this forums voting for the best image. I cannot stress enough how important this is. I would hate to see people stop participating because of this. If you want to show your friends how much you appreciate them, treat them to lunch or something
Third Topic: Photoshop - I agree with most of the members here on this topic. There is nothing wrong with using photoshop to edit your photo. People should be voting on the final product. Simply put, Photoshop can be used to make a good image, a great one. I as well, would hate to see this become an unofficial rule of the contest. I allow images to edited anyway the user wants because it allows for great creativity. Donas64's picture of the bonnicle (or whatever it was, lol) comes to mind. He tried something different; some people liked it, others did not. I congratulate him for thinking outside the box and trying something different. Now this doesn't mean you have to use photoshop to be be different or creative, but it can definitely help. If you have no desire to use it, then so be it. But please don't knock our members who do chose to use it. The only thing that should be looked at is the final product. If you like it, vote for it!
Final Topic: tonkabui - Sorry to put you in the spotlight, but this is a touchy subject for me. I have to agree with most people here; 20 votes in one day is very strange. I am not saying that isn't possible, or that you cheated, but nobody has gone from "zero to hero" that fast before. I am not accusing you of cheating, it is just a little phishy to me. I have no evidence of you doing otherwise. Whether you asked your friends on another forum to vote for you, or you PM'd a bunch of friends, or maybe it was an act of God; who knows. But I do know that 20 votes does not come out of nowhere. Although there isn't much I can do to investigate, I hope that an explanation does come to light. Are you 100% sure that you have no idea why 20 people decided to vote for you overnight? Did you have any influence in this at all? Once again, I am not accusing you of cheating. I am sure that all of the votes came from legitimate members. I would just like to find some kind of explanation to all of this.
Once again, I hope i did not insult anyone in this thread (even you tonkabui). If I did, I am truly sorry. Thanks again to everyone who participated, and keep up the good work!
Let me start by saying that I hope this post does not directly offend anyone. I apologize in advance if you feel as if this post is being directed towards you.
Fist topic: Photo Submission- The first thing that I would like to change, are the actual photo submission rules. The only reason prizes are offered, is to give people an incentive to go out and take pictures. It serves a double purpose, as the person who wins also gets rewarded for their efforts. However, I have a problem when there is no effort involved in the process. I see no reason why anyone should be rewarded for posting a picture that they took three summers ago, or anything of that nature. It kind of defeats the entire purpose of the prize. I believe I give everyone more than enough time to go out, take some photos, edit them if need be, and post an image they think best captures that months topic. Do you guys want/ need more time? Since this was never an official rule of the contest, there is nobody at fault for this. I cannot expect you guys to follow something that was never formally voiced. This is something that I would simply like to change for future contests.
Next Topic: Voting - Please vote based on the actual image that is posted, and not on the person who posted the image. This is not meant to be a popularity contest. Voting should be based on the merit of the photo, not the merit of the member. I don't care if the Jessica Alba herself submitted a photo here; If another member posted an image that I thought was better, then he or she gets my vote. We all have friends, and most of us are "friends" on this forum. Voting on your friends picture takes validity away from the actual contest. It discourages other members from wanting to get involved. Both first time contestants, and "veterans" have no desire to compete in a contest where they feel that no matter what they post, they have no chance of winning. Saying all of this, understand that I do expect there to be some of this going on, no matter what. I cannot single handedly stop members from voting on their friends. There is no way for me to stop or control this. It boils down to the members of this forums voting for the best image. I cannot stress enough how important this is. I would hate to see people stop participating because of this. If you want to show your friends how much you appreciate them, treat them to lunch or something
Third Topic: Photoshop - I agree with most of the members here on this topic. There is nothing wrong with using photoshop to edit your photo. People should be voting on the final product. Simply put, Photoshop can be used to make a good image, a great one. I as well, would hate to see this become an unofficial rule of the contest. I allow images to edited anyway the user wants because it allows for great creativity. Donas64's picture of the bonnicle (or whatever it was, lol) comes to mind. He tried something different; some people liked it, others did not. I congratulate him for thinking outside the box and trying something different. Now this doesn't mean you have to use photoshop to be be different or creative, but it can definitely help. If you have no desire to use it, then so be it. But please don't knock our members who do chose to use it. The only thing that should be looked at is the final product. If you like it, vote for it!
Final Topic: tonkabui - Sorry to put you in the spotlight, but this is a touchy subject for me. I have to agree with most people here; 20 votes in one day is very strange. I am not saying that isn't possible, or that you cheated, but nobody has gone from "zero to hero" that fast before. I am not accusing you of cheating, it is just a little phishy to me. I have no evidence of you doing otherwise. Whether you asked your friends on another forum to vote for you, or you PM'd a bunch of friends, or maybe it was an act of God; who knows. But I do know that 20 votes does not come out of nowhere. Although there isn't much I can do to investigate, I hope that an explanation does come to light. Are you 100% sure that you have no idea why 20 people decided to vote for you overnight? Did you have any influence in this at all? Once again, I am not accusing you of cheating. I am sure that all of the votes came from legitimate members. I would just like to find some kind of explanation to all of this.
Once again, I hope i did not insult anyone in this thread (even you tonkabui). If I did, I am truly sorry. Thanks again to everyone who participated, and keep up the good work!
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About the voting thing... how about we submit a title along with our pic and then instead of having the members name on the poll we can have the title of the pic in the poll. That way someone would need to look through the submissions thread to find out who really posted what.
