Looking into MSP's...

Xcelr8to1320

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But i have heard that some people with enitrely stock MSP's have been know to have blowing motors. From what i was told an MSP is a stock Protege motor with a turbo and that these motors aren't made to handle much boost. Also even if the vehicle is under warranty and the motor blows it will not be replaced under warranty. This is kind of scaring me away from MSP's. Could some of you please shed some light on the subject. I've researched and know about the common problems, none of which seem like they're too hard to fix, but this motor thing is a little bigger of a problem so discuss, throw in info, or whatever you'd like to contribute. Thanks in advance everyone.

~Alex
 
If you don't abuse your car and make sure you have supporting mods i.e. Engine managment, you really should not have any problems.
 
Most people are blowing motors because of a bad tune or dont have supporting mods. If your gonna up the boost just make sure you at least get a downpipe/midpipe before you do!
 
Alex and I have talked about this numerous times but I'll put up what I've told him so other guys can chime in and correct me if I'm wrong on the research and info I've gathered for my possible Turbo upgrade within 2-3 years.

From what I'm getting from Alex, I'm thinking he wants to be boosting around 9-12 psi. What I have read on the forum is that really the only supporting mods you will need are:
FMIC/SMIC
Full/Catback exhaust
Header
Hardpipes
Intake
Fuel managment
Boost Controller
Bigger Injectors

For the most part I think it is driver error that is whats blowing these motors, aside from the weak rods and bearings.

I'm not that turbo knowledgeable on our cars yet. But I think i've gathered enough info to make a decent opinion.
 
header?

as far as a boosted here they have the mani and downpipe...as far as exhaust goes with upping boost...id def say you need a manifold, downpipe, and rest of the exhaust...
 
justanotheradikt said:
header?

as far as a boosted here they have the mani and downpipe...as far as exhaust goes with upping boost...id def say you need a manifold, downpipe, and rest of the exhaust...

well yeah, thats what I mean mani or downpipe
 
winty87 said:
Alex and I have talked about this numerous times but I'll put up what I've told him so other guys can chime in and correct me if I'm wrong on the research and info I've gathered for my possible Turbo upgrade within 2-3 years.

From what I'm getting from Alex, I'm thinking he wants to be boosting around 9-12 psi. What I have read on the forum is that really the only supporting mods you will need are:
FMIC/SMIC
Full/Catback exhaust
Header
Hardpipes
Intake
Fuel managment
Boost Controller
Bigger Injectors

For the most part I think it is driver error that is whats blowing these motors, aside from the weak rods and bearings.

I'm not that turbo knowledgeable on our cars yet. But I think i've gathered enough info to make a decent opinion.

Nice listing for a set of mods to reach that goal. I think that you listed header in there on accident though. Just remember of WOT in 5th, and you should be fine with what is listed above. I would like to reccomend a J&S safeguard to pull timing, and protect against detonation. I don't have one yet but I will be ordering mine soon. I have only heard great things. Let me know how the build goes!
 
kamon8404 said:
Nice listing for a set of mods to reach that goal. I think that you listed header in there on accident though. Just remember of WOT in 5th, and you should be fine with what is listed above. I would like to reccomend a J&S safeguard to pull timing, and protect against detonation. I don't have one yet but I will be ordering mine soon. I have only heard great things. Let me know how the build goes!

Thats what sitting on these forums for atleast 4 hours a day will do to ya when your picking away at homework. I've read pretty much every blown turboed motor and what supporting mods they had on it. I really want him to get this MSP or find a Turboed P5 so we can tinker away and build it up. Plus I'll have a Mazda to roll with me around town and someone who will actually be able to keep up on the curves.(first)
 
winty87 said:
For the most part I think it is driver error that is whats blowing these motors, aside from the weak rods and bearings.

I'm not that turbo knowledgeable on our cars yet. But I think i've gathered enough info to make a decent opinion.

I agree 100%. Engines do not just blow up with under 100k miles on them (and most engines will run much farther than that as well), there must be a reason behind it. Most common is detonation (knock) which is the result of a car not being tuned correctly. This is what is the most common engine killer. Lack of knowledge and supporting mods. Just because you have a boost controller that allows you to turn the boost up to 15 psi does not mean that you should or that your car can handle the extra power. Unless the engine was assembled wrong at the factory (which you would know from the get go), pretty much all engines are equal when new. It is the lack of care (going over 3k miles or 3 months with oil changes, putting in regular gas, redlining every gear, launching at every stop light to beat a KIA, etc) that makes an engine that much more likely to blow up. Lack of oil or pressure will also destroy an engine in no time (which is what happened to my GSX) which may or may not be preventable (like losing a two quart of oil after a couple miles (pissed) ). But engines do not just say "Hey, I feel like throwing a rod right about now, just to really piss off the owner".

Anyways, sorry for the long rant or whatever, but I am a firm believer that if you take care of your engine and it is properly tuned there is no reason why it won't hold extra power. Granted the interals are weak, but horsepower itself does not kill them, it is more how it is driven (reving up to 5k and then dropping the clutch will put a massive amount of torque on the rods for example).
 
MSP's are simply Protege 2.0 motors w/ turbos, and suspesion upgrades. oh yeah...They come with some nice interior and color choices!!! A very fun car, BUT they were not built for turbo applications.period.That part is up to you...
 
Yellow MSP said:
I agree 100%. Engines do not just blow up with under 100k miles on them (and most engines will run much farther than that as well), there must be a reason behind it. Most common is detonation (knock) which is the result of a car not being tuned correctly. This is what is the most common engine killer. Lack of knowledge and supporting mods. Just because you have a boost controller that allows you to turn the boost up to 15 psi does not mean that you should or that your car can handle the extra power. Unless the engine was assembled wrong at the factory (which you would know from the get go), pretty much all engines are equal when new. It is the lack of care (going over 3k miles or 3 months with oil changes, putting in regular gas, redlining every gear, launching at every stop light to beat a KIA, etc) that makes an engine that much more likely to blow up. Lack of oil or pressure will also destroy an engine in no time (which is what happened to my GSX) which may or may not be preventable (like losing a two quart of oil after a couple miles (pissed) ). But engines do not just say "Hey, I feel like throwing a rod right about now, just to really piss off the owner".

Anyways, sorry for the long rant or whatever, but I am a firm believer that if you take care of your engine and it is properly tuned there is no reason why it won't hold extra power. Granted the interals are weak, but horsepower itself does not kill them, it is more how it is driven (reving up to 5k and then dropping the clutch will put a massive amount of torque on the rods for example).

maintenance is key, but no 2 ENGINES ARE THE SAME. These cars were made for like 98 horsepower or something ridiculous like that. They need a lot of mods to make them reliable, even with minor boost increase. These are facts, That is all for now.:)
 

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