Lewis "Scooter" Libby found guilty

AndrewW said:
When did the state of Florida start allowing 12 year olds to drive?
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Uh..I am over 40.(usa)
 
1st Gen said:
Bush bashing?

http://hnn.us/articles/5019.html
A recent informal, unscientific survey of historians conducted at my suggestion by George Mason Universitys History News Network found that eight in ten historians responding rate the current presidency an overall failure.


Later in the article
Several charges against the Bush administration arose repeatedly in the comments of historians who responded to the survey. Among them were: the doctrine of pre-emptive war, crony capitalism/being completely in bed with certain corporate interests, bankruptcy/fiscal irresponsibility, military adventurism, trampling of civil liberties, and anti-environmental policies.

And still more

The second most common response from historians, trailing only Nixon, was that the current presidency is the worst in American history. A few examples will serve to provide the flavor of such condemnations. Although previous presidents have led the nation into ill-advised wars, no predecessor managed to turn America into an unprovoked aggressor. No predecessor so thoroughly managed to confirm the impressions of those who already hated America. No predecessor so effectively convinced such a wide range of world opinion that America is an imperialist threat to world peace. I don 't think that you can do much worse than that.

Bush is horrendous; there is no comparison with previous presidents, most of whom have been bad.

He is blatantly a puppet for corporate interests, who care only about their own greed and have no sense of civic responsibility or community service. He lies, constantly and often, seemingly without control, and he lied about his invasion into a sovereign country, again for corporate interests; many people have died and been maimed, and that has been lied about too. He grandstands and mugs in a shameful manner, befitting a snake oil salesman, not a statesman. He does not think, process, or speak well, and is emotionally immature due to, among other things, his lack of recovery from substance abuse. The term is "dry drunk". He is an abject embarrassment/pariah overseas; the rest of the world hates him . . . . . He is, by far, the most irresponsible, unethical, inexcusable occupant of our formerly highest office in the land that there has ever been.

George W. Bush's presidency is the pernicious enemy of American freedom, compassion, and community; of world peace; and of life itself as it has evolved for millennia on large sections of the planet. The worst president ever? Let history judge him.

This president is unique in his failures.

What else is there to say.

(first)
 
1killercls said:
Uh..I am over 40.(usa)
Gee, I just reached the 1/2 century mark. I guess I should keep my remarks to myself. No harm intended. I just we could get on the same page sometimes about people that want to take away my rights, your rights, and my children's rights, and I'm not talking about Bush, just the bastards that killed 3000 of our citizens. Sorry if I offended anyone out there.
 
AndrewW said:
Gee, I just reached the 1/2 century mark. I guess I should keep my remarks to myself. No harm intended. I just we could get on the same page sometimes about people that want to take away my rights, your rights, and my children's rights, and I'm not talking about Bush, just the bastards that killed 3000 of our citizens. Sorry if I offended anyone out there.

It can be argued that Bush killed over 3,000 of our soldiers. I'm not trying to make that argument (I mean, Bush didn't DIRECTLY cause those deaths)....but it is a valid argument.
 
I give up. Debating with morons makes me one.
 
So being dissatisfied with our current president's actions makes one a moron?

In my opinion, the exact opposite is in fact true. Anyone who truly believes that Bush has done a good job, and is willing to overlook the atrocities that this administration has partaken in because they believe that they are necessary to 'protect' us from Islam, is a much bigger moron than anyone who stands up and says 'Hold on a second....things are really messed up here".

jersey_emt said:
It can be argued that Bush killed over 3,000 of our soldiers. I'm not trying to make that argument (I mean, Bush didn't DIRECTLY cause those deaths)....but it is a valid argument.

BTW, I was simply playing devil's advocate, note that I distinctly said that I was NOT trying to make that argument.
 
jersey_emt said:
So being dissatisfied with our current president's actions makes one a moron?

In my opinion, the exact opposite is in fact true. Anyone who truly believes that Bush has done a good job, and is willing to overlook the atrocities that this administration has partaken in because they believe that they are necessary to 'protect' us from Islam, is a much bigger moron than anyone who stands up and says 'Hold on a second....things are really messed up here".


Well said.
 
AndrewW said:
Gee, I just reached the 1/2 century mark. I guess I should keep my remarks to myself. No harm intended. I just we could get on the same page sometimes about people that want to take away my rights, your rights, and my children's rights, and I'm not talking about Bush, just the bastards that killed 3000 of our citizens. Sorry if I offended anyone out there.

Again..name one Iraqi National who committed an act of terrorism on the United States...like most of the American public you have Iraq confused with the "War on Terror"
 
jersey_emt said:
So being dissatisfied with our current president's actions makes one a moron?

In my opinion, the exact opposite is in fact true. Anyone who truly believes that Bush has done a good job, and is willing to overlook the atrocities that this administration has partaken in because they believe that they are necessary to 'protect' us from Islam, is a much bigger moron than anyone who stands up and says 'Hold on a second....things are really messed up here".



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Exactly....(alright)
 
lol, the ad hominem arguments are flying. this is why ordinary citizens aren't allowed to participate directly in our government.
 

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