Less than 3000 mile and at the dealership....

[Circle9]

This thread went down the toilet pretty quickly (jacked)

 

[714ms3]

Its fun to watch knuckleheads like you get all upset. Just stating the impression I get from being on this forum. Seems like alot of people are having problems, and they dont handle mods very well without going pop(fuoops) Il lay off for a little while, dont want you to get your thong all in a twist.

Ok I tried to stay tame, but now you are merely being a douche. Nobody on this forum gives to shakes of a cat's ass about your subie. Every car has problems, and guess what, the greater the number produced = the greater number of failures. That is just a basic law about manufacturing.
Now I don't care if your brother, uncle, sister, or mother has an MS3, because you still offer no glimpse of a worthy contribution to OUR forum.
Stop trolling on here, and go waste some of your lonely life on NASIOC. Or better yet, take some of the obviously abundant amount of free time that you have on your hands (and you must have plenty to troll this forum and the subie ones), and put it towards learning some basic spelling, punctuation and grammar.
Coming to a forum to illicit negative responses from people is just plain juvenile. Better than laying low on here, you should just disappear.(dance)

 

[ZyrehT]

Correct me if I'm wrong but don't they have to PROVE that those mods caused the damage?

Yes but most just bow their head and walk away instead of fighting them.

 

[ZyrehT]

It blows up before 3000 miles with basic mods....must be a speed3! seems like this happens alot. Hence the reason for the expensive warranty...they know it's coming back

Is this person really as dumb as they sound?

 

[ZyrehT]

you aren't looking hard enough or you're looking in the wrong place. these motors are still definitely popping

Please post links to "all" that are popping. Bet you can't find more than 10 out of over 10,000 cars sold.

 

[ZyrehT]

A bazillion threads. Bazillion.

Typical subie exaggeration, just like the performance of their cars.

 

[ZyrehT]

unless you know a lawyer who is willing to work for free most of the time you have to take it from the dealership right up the ass despite what the law has to say.

They you've got pretty dumb lawyers that you work with. My guys know right away if they're going to make money. They always win against dealerships.

 

[Alexander37]

Zyreh:, Correct on 2 points! Chrisp is an idiot, and most people do walk away instead of fight. When I had issues with home office going back to the dealer and saying they wanted to try all this crap and try and pin it on me, I called home Mazda myself and registered a complaint (not against the dealer, you want them on your side) but against the rep that was trying to deny the replacement. As soon as I mentioned "I have legal connections", and would pursue that ave if needed, I have received almost everything I have asked for (just waiting on one more thing).
And lets keep this thread helpful to the owner who is having the issue, and not a Subie jack@$$ vs. Mazda's. However I would like to state that my former roommate (WRX owner) would rather have driven my car than his anyday.

 

[DaleNixon]

ROFL. Well there's no need to criticize Subarus here. I think most of us have fantasized about WRX's and STI's at one point in our lives. I know the '02 bugeye was my dream car back when I bought my Protege5.

 

[Alexander37]

Agreed, I have no issues with Subies, but I have never liked the look of any WRX. Sti's are pretty sick performance wise, but I can't stand them (personal opinion). I would much rather have a Legacy GT. But all that aside, I would seriously call the home office, state your complaint and supporting documentation ( the fantastic PDF doc regarding mods not voiding warranty) and go from there. It's the best shot you have, and they really don't want to make a legal issue out of it. I was told with my repair, that if the economy wasn't in the toilet right now and automakers screwed, they would have done my engine completely the moment it came in the 3rd time for stalling.

 

[amascio]

I can't think of a performance car made that doesn't have "issues" of some sort:
Porsches - the price paid for one of these when they screw up will make your blood run COLD...
BMW Motorsports cars - if it's not rod bearings on the M3's, it's the clutches on the M5's, and that's if it doesn't overheat first!...
Subaru - we've already talked about them... the point I'm trying to make is that when one buys a high performance car, the costs can be staggering at times....how does that old adage go.."speed costs money - how much do you want to spend?"...

My take on it is that Mazda put a turbo on a garden variety engine and hoped everything would be alright. I don't think they expected the amount of enthusiast experimenting that is currently going on with all the mods. They never DREAMED that the Speed would be the poster child of the hardcore modding crowd.

But Mazda is making a mistake here - they are missing out on an oppourtunity to cover the entusiast with a harder core "crate" engine that they could subvent the costs on when issuses like the OP here happen.

There's always a way to make lemonade out of lemons. Help the mod scene to thrive and take the blown engines in, tear them apart and figure out how the next model engine is going to have engineering enhancements to fix what went wrong.

The concept of the MS3 is a damn good one - a practical little car that is a blast to drive because it's faster than s*** and fairly frugal too (just in case gas goes through the roof). Mazda just needs to learn about what makes the owner/modder tick and CATER to that constituency - think Honda in the 90's - they made a fortune behind the modding of the Civic. If I were Mazda, I'd have played a way different card than they're doing with the OP.

GM would KILL to have a car like the MS3 right now! I hope everything works out for the OP and that Mazda does the right thing.
Cheers all!

 

[derspi]

GM would KILL to have a car like the MS3 right now!

Agree with you on all your points but would like to point out that GM does have "their" MS3 in the new Cobalt S/S. Performance monster for very little coin (probably less than the MS3) but of course, I'd much rather be sitting in the interior of the MS3 than almost any GM vehicle, save for maybe a Cadillac.

 

[tazman34685]

Just an update for the record

What's guys.

I'm still with out a car but I guess its a good thing I live in florida cause for the whole month of January this MazdaSpeed owner has been without his car. But I figure it was time for an update, hell I even though that maybe I should be a member of any forum because I brought this on myself or maybe I should have just left the car in its stock form.....But then I slipped back into my right mind.

Saturday 1/31/2009
The motor was actually lowered from the car (The shop that doing the job are cool people big into dragsters and corvettes) anyway the workbench was full of all the new stuff I brought. but before I get to saturday I have to rewind back one week earlier :

Friday 1/23/2009
Ok Mr. Tazman your car is ready we found that the number two rod bearing spun on the crankshaft so we replaced the bearings with the OEM set (I Purchased from SU who rock by the way) you're just going to have to take it easy on the car. I picked the car up late friday afterhours, anyway I get in the car with a big kool aid smile on my face looked at the odometer which read 2780 mile (the DOA mileage was 2769) so I thinking cool still not 3K yet all is well. But there is this note in the car that reads drive the car like a grandma/grandpa ok so I'm thinking this is because the new bearing have to get seated. OK I pull out of the parking lot my house is an easy 48 miles from the place that is repairing the car oh ya in between there is a bridge call the skyway that I have you cross. ok back to the story I pull out of the parking out quick shifting not really doing any special but as the rpms climbed to 2500 I can hear this rattling in my gut I saying something isn't right something just isn't right I crawl about half way home because in my mind I'm hear this is a brand new car there is no way I can consider this fixed by a long shot, I end up returning the car back the shop that same night but that after cross the damn bridge once north bound then again south bound...(you just have to take my word an this the damn bridge is huge but not only that if I were to brake down I would be SOL. That saturday morningI call the shop owner and I'm like look there is no way I can except this job as being complete, he like I understand you did the right thing by returning the car before something major happened. Now the 24th was the 24 hours race at Daytona and of course my parts connection guys SU were out enjoy some good R&R. Hats off to them..... Fast forward.

The call was place to Mat/Chris and the new parts shipped:
1)complete gasket set
2)OEM main bearing
3)OEM Rod bearing
4)Head Studs by ????
5)Pauter Forged Rods
6)CP Custom Forged Pistons
7) Redline Tuning Hood Quicklift (Extra cause i hate looking for the hole)

Fast forward to present:
Today's phone conversation almost brought the New Yorker out of me not directed to any one person but just the WHOLE DAMN situation. While inspecting the clutch it was discovered that it to was damaged, so I jokingly ask can I just set fire to the DAMN car....... Now a Spec Stage 3 clutch kit is going to be ordered.

I know this is going to be one bad ass speed3 when its all said and done

If I had the time or the funds the first thing that comes to mind is CLASS ACTION LAW SUITE. My name would be the first on the list.

Oh and by the way I have no idea when the car will be finished, I guess before the kids are out of school Hell I'm counting weeks forget days. Please don't let it be Months.

Sorry for the NOVEL, need to vent. I feel better now.

 

[paylew]

Yikes, that sucks man but you're right saying your car will be pretty bad ass once you're finished with it

 

[StealthWyvern]

Damn man that sucks. Hopefully you will have it up and running without any more major issues within the next month or sooner!

 

[s-retire]

http://www.impalaclub.com/naisso/magmoss.htm

read it. print it. take it with you.

Tonight Ill sit down and cozy up to Magnusson, Moss.

I can't think of a performance car made that doesn't have "issues" of some sort:

But Mazda is making a mistake here - they are missing out on an oppourtunity to cover the entusiast with a harder core "crate" engine that they could subvent the costs on when issuses like the OP here happen.

There's always a way to make lemonade out of lemons. Help the mod scene to thrive and take the blown engines in, tear them apart and figure out how the next model engine is going to have engineering enhancements to fix what went wrong.

GM would KILL to have a car like the MS3 right now! I hope everything works out for the OP and that Mazda does the right thing.
Cheers all!

Great thought!

If I had the time or the funds the first thing that comes to mind is CLASS ACTION LAW SUITE. My name would be the first on the list.

Great thread! Big thanks for pushing it to the top. There is a lot of useful info here.

I don't know about the class action lawsuit, but Im going to take the time and am now a I'm lot more comfortable spending the money to see my issue through to the bitter end. Tonight Ill sit down and cozy up to Magnusson, Moss.

Have you thought about filing a report with the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) website? It is easy to do. It looks like they collect the data and make inquiry based on numbers, so claim helps.

If it comes to injured class lawsuit, Ill keep you posted as Ill be looking for other injured parties. I may have just the right attorney in mind.

Dont get me wrong, I dont think the Speed3 is in anyway a bad car, but the way Mazda NAO is handling the warranty claim issues erodes any confidence that a consumer has.

 

[TheDirtyGoatee]

I don't feel like skimming through all the posts on here and this one just happened to catch my eye on the "recent updates" on the right side of the home page. But here is my opinion.

You modded your car. It should be known that when you mod a car that was built by a factory who built it that way for a reason, changing things could cause things to work improperly. I could continue on and go through the laundry list of things that could've went wrong but I am not a mechanic nor do I know much about the products you used. However, your car didn't break under the car as it came from the factory. It isn't Mazda's concern to fix a modified car unless they installed the parts and included them into the warranty. If that was the case, the dealerships would be in a worse off spot than they are in now.

However, I am not saying I don't want this to work out for you because I don't want a fellow Mazda 247 member to go through hard times. What I am saying is that if they come to you and say "We won't fix this because you have mods on your car... etc." then you should suck it up, pay what you have to pay, and move on. This is why it's a good idea to not think about modding a car that is brand new or still under warranty.

Lastly, I do hope all goes well and they end up saying that what you've done couldn't have caused the problem and they'll fix it under warranty. However, because everyone is having tough times and they have you by the gonads on this one, expect to shell out cash. I understand they should keep their customer's happy but then again, the customers need to abide by the rules.

Just my .02 cents.

 

[coyfish]

I don't feel like skimming through all the posts on here and this one just happened to catch my eye on the "recent updates" on the right side of the home page. But here is my opinion.

You modded your car. It should be known that when you mod a car that was built by a factory who built it that way for a reason, changing things could cause things to work improperly. I could continue on and go through the laundry list of things that could've went wrong but I am not a mechanic nor do I know much about the products you used. However, your car didn't break under the car as it came from the factory. It isn't Mazda's concern to fix a modified car unless they installed the parts and included them into the warranty. If that was the case, the dealerships would be in a worse off spot than they are in now.

However, I am not saying I don't want this to work out for you because I don't want a fellow Mazda 247 member to go through hard times. What I am saying is that if they come to you and say "We won't fix this because you have mods on your car... etc." then you should suck it up, pay what you have to pay, and move on. This is why it's a good idea to not think about modding a car that is brand new or still under warranty.

Lastly, I do hope all goes well and they end up saying that what you've done couldn't have caused the problem and they'll fix it under warranty. However, because everyone is having tough times and they have you by the gonads on this one, expect to shell out cash. I understand they should keep their customer's happy but then again, the customers need to abide by the rules.

Just my .02 cents.

The OP did end up paying to have his car fixed. While what your saying is true I still dont think its fair that he has to pay for a new engine because of a bpv. . .

Also I don't mean to take what you said out of context but there has to be a little balance. Mazda has been voiding way too many warranties because of CAI's and BPV's. I think we all know that those 2 mods 99% of the time are not the cause of the problems.

 

[TheDirtyGoatee]

I'll agree.

And like I said, I didn't mean him harm or hard times but modding is modding is modding. It voids warranties.

Anyhow... thanks for the input.

 

[s-retire]

Playing By the Rules

a car that was built by a factory who built it that way for a reason, changing things could cause things to work improperly.

However, your car didn't break under the car as it came from the factory.

" then you should suck it up, pay what you have to pay, and move on. This is why it's a good idea to not think about modding a car that is brand new or still under warranty.

I understand they should keep their customer's happy but then again, the customers need to abide by the rules.

I don’t want to hi-jack this thread, but I’m going to take the liberty for a moment.

It appears on this thread and several others that the Mazda Dealers and the DSMs from Mazda NAO are simply opening the hood, finding what ever excuse to deny warranty, slamming the hood and turning their back on the customer.

Looking at the legal opinion posted by fuentini, it would seem that Mazda should provide proof of the condition that leads them to deny warranty actually caused the failure.

Speculation by you or the DSM that a particular condition could cause a failure is not proof.

In my case, I thought I was playing by the rules. No mods on my car, I simply had my oil changed at an Authorized Mazda Dealer. When the car was inspected after the motor went pop, the inspecting technician said the oil drain plug was missing, slammed the hood and the DSM denied my claim and told me, through the Service Manager, to call my car insurance company.

No proof, not even enough effort to get the servicing dealer to accept responsibility. Just “too bad so sad…” It has been a long drawn out battle to get them to review their improper decision. If Mazda NAO will do this in my case, I suspect that they’ve treated a lot of other people unfairly.

So much for playing by the rules…

Sorry about the hi-jack. I’ll return to the thread I started.