KL swap underway!

rickibobby

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2003.5 mazdaspeed protege
I gave up on the fs and am now doing the kl swap, I posted a thread in the normal protege section thinking more people would see it and be able to help with some questions, but i dont think so... Tonight I got the engine out of my car along with an unbelieably rigged up 3inch exhaust system. I'll be going hunting for a wiring harness tommorow which wont be as bad as trying to find a matching computer and distributor. I have an engine that seems to be in pretty good shape as well as a transmission that just needs the spyder gears put back into place. I have a set of kl31 cams and hopefully a mx-3 flywheel. I have a intake that I started porting back when I had my probe that I'm gonna finish and that'll probaly be about it for go fast goodies for now.
Now for the questions! Which fuse box do I use protege or probe? Joint box, protege or probe? I will be using an obd1 harness just to make this easier, unless if the obd2 harnesses arent that much more difficult to wire up. It'd be nice to be able to hook our computer up to it to read codes if possible. I'm sure there are more but as of now this is my main concern. I would really appriciate any input, ideas or advice. thank you, Bobby.
 
PM thepope540 at least to direct him to one of your threads. he did a KL swap... theres not a ton of people who have.
 
I have a wiring harness and ecu from a 94 probe gt if interested. I can also find you a distributor to match. Plus i have other stuff laying around. Let me know what you need. The reason i have all of this is because i own a probe gt and have gathered plenty of spare parts over the past few years.
 
Well I'm starting on my wiring harnesses today, not as simple as I was hoping.... Thanks to duffbuster on the extremely fast shipping I only need a few parts for the KL and the engine will be complete. Christmas shopping has kinda killed any funding for parts so I'm hoping to be able to at least get the harnesses wired together over the next few days, then its gonna be on hold, again
 
Okay, I have used inukei proteges swap thread as a guide for my wiring, got some things I'm not so sure of though... I only have one power wire for the kl computer wired up. Do I need to run power to the other computer pin that is supposed to have it? And do I have to hook up the grounds for the computer??! There is a lot more to this wiring than I originally expected. Hopefully by the end of the week I may have all of my brake and suspension parts, and possibly the rest of the parts I need for the motor.
 
How to: 3rd Gen KLZE swap
Firstly, this is the way I did my swap. It may not have been the best soloution, but it's what made sence to me.

I used both the V6, and the P5 computers at the same time. I did this because much of the P5's functionality is controlled through the computer, and the P5's wiring harness is a pain to take apart.

I had a 94 MX3 sitting in my back shop that I originally bought as a rally car project, but decided the car was a little too girly . anyway, I took the engine out of this car, and tore the wiring all out of it. (Now I know the engine removal was unnecessary)

Parts Needed.

Engine: curved neck KLZE, straight neck would probably hit the brake booster. 200hp, 165 ft/lbs tq stock

Transmission: Stock protege with KL bellhousing. I used a 94 MX3 Tranny, as the gear ratios are closer, and I didn't have to tear apart the tranny.

Clutch and flywheel: you want an MX3 flywheel (lightweight) and and MX6 clutch kit (this will bolt onto MX3 flywheel). I had trouble getting the MX6 throwout bearing to work, so I used an MX3 one.

Radiator: You'll need to either run a V6 rad like me, or modify the stock one to work. I used an MX3 Rad, to fit it, I had my airconditioning drained, then removed the system. I also had to cut away the side supports for the old rad. To fit the V6 rad, I cut enough away for it to fit in, then made some mounts at the bottom, and basically zip tied it into place.


Wiring Harness, computer: Complete uncut engine harness from a KL vehicle. Again I used my 94 MX3 parts. The computer will have to be chipped to get rid of the EGR codes, and set the VRIS points correctly. Look up the probinator chip on Probetalk.com.

Engine mounts: All of the stock engine mounts bolt up to the tranny and engine. On the engine however, on the passenger side, the studs in the KL engine are too long, you need to take the ones out of the FS block and put them in the same spot on the KL. I recommend getting some very stiff AWR mounts as the V6 is a much smoother engine, and there's no bad vibes.


Engine Removal (Obviously not a complete step by step)
Drain fluids, unhook all connectors (marking them, you'll need to know a couple later, and you might change your mind).

Unbolt exhaust at the bottom, unhook shifter components from the engine, pull half shafts out of the transmission (hard to do, but you don't have to take them right out of the car, just free them from the tranny)

With your hoist supporting the engine, unbolt mounts. Lift (have a friend to watch the engine from one side, you on the other) I did it myself, and got a little scratch to prove it.

discard engine
well, actually take the reverse sensor out of the transmission (it bolts into the new one, and is easier to connect to the P5 harness.

Prep new engine:
maintenance, put the flywheel/clutch on, mount the tranny, put the P5 slave cylinder on the new tranny, check to make sure the fork feels right (compare to the original) I had some trouble here, had to change throwout bearings.
Install mounts one by one, making sure that since these mounts bolt up to different spots than the original that the bolt holes on your new transmission are free of dirt. (this cost me half a day's work on a nice day when I cracked the bellhousing attaching one of the mounts, if this happens, take it to a welder, or if you're a better welder than me, fix it).
Also, replace P5 jackshaft with V6 jack shaft on the passenger side. Have it sitting there in the engine bay attached to the P5 half shaft.


Install wiring harness in engine bay (fit the new harness through the same hole as the P5 one goes though, just cut away the rubber grommet). Seal up the hole with something later.

Install the engine just like the old one came out. Making sure that as you lower the engine in, you orient the half shafts correctly, or they're a b**** later.

bolt it all up, if you're like me you've mangled a couple dealer specific bolts (specifically the shifter linkage), replace as necessary.

Connect all your engine sensors. Connect speed and reverse to P5 original wiring. Also connect the starter and oil sensor to the factory harness. As for the alternator, I used the V6 one which is internally regulated, also it connects to the factory wiring, but don't connect the small connector (they are the same). Run a fused (30A) wire from the battery to the thicker of the two wires coming from the small connector.

To wire the computer, it needs a couple of things, first, it needs constant, on, cranking, and run signals (If I remember correctly) and a ground.

As for the disty, if it is a newer KLZE, it will have the north american disty, which plugs right in to your harness. Older ones will have to look up the H.E.I. conversion, and run an external coil (probetalk), or swap over to an A-spec disty. There is a thick blue wire (~12 awg) that comes in from the harness at the computer, this goes to the disty, and needs to be supplied with a 30A fused ON power source. I tapped into the back of the fuse/joint box near the dead pedal on the driver's floor (the thick blue wire on the back of that is perfect)

You'll then need to hook up your throttle cable (it'll go in, just mount it on an angle so you get full movement with the pedal (verify this with a friend))

You then need to hook up the power steering, for this, the high pressure line bolts right to the V6 pump (use new crush washers) with a little mauvering. The return however is a pain. The easiest way is to take the return pipe off of the pump (careful not to damage it, it's ~$40 from Mazda). Then cut it off right at the elbow where it's a little thinner. Then take a dremel, and clean up the cut, and blow out any loose metal. Make sure nothing's going to get into the system here. Then what you want to do is take the stock return pipe (it's short) and get about 4' (might have been only 3' now that I think about it) of the same size hose. Then you want to lube it up, and force it over that suction pipe you cut up earlier. Throw a pipe clamp on there, and bolt it to the pump (I warn you this is a royal pain, very hard to reach area, lots of crap in the way)

Then hook up your fuel lines. I cut the plastic lines right where the V6's metal lines come off the back of the engine. Then I cut the barbs off of the V6's lines, and got a plastic to metal adaptor for the high pressure lines, and put some fuel hose and hose clamps over the return. Works, no leaks.

Hook up an intake, if you're using the MX3 computer, use a JE50 VAF (MX3 stock; these are sought after anyway, as they work with the Japanese computer too)

rig up an exhaust adaptor to connect to the stock exhaust (make sure you've grabbed some down pipes from a junked V6 with the O2 sensors intact (they are $$$$$$$))

You're going to have to take out the fuel pump relay, and run a jumper across the leads so the fuel pump runs constant when the car is in the on position.

Make sure everything is connected (including coolant lines) fill your fluids, start it up.





Well, that's about it, That much wiring will get it going, I'll let you know more details about the wiring when I get it to a point where I'm completely satisfied electrically.

It's damn near 3 am so I'm sure I forgot a few things here and there, but If you have any questions let me know. This is obviously not a swap to be attempted by just anyone, but if you feel comfortable working on cars, there is no magic tricks, or anything overly complicated about it. Total cost so far since I already had the MX3, is about $1500 cdn.

Edit: I should add, to make it legal, you need to retrofit an EGR valve. (I'm unsure, although I read the laws, if Swapping OBD-II to OBD-I is even legal)

Rock on

DuRWooD


"sounds like it bolts right in" (famous last words)
 
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Ditch the stock intake manifold. I don't care if it is ported or not, it is junk. Porting a stocker MIGHT get you to were all of the other manifolds are before you port them, lol.
 
agreed on the ported IM I tried it on my MX6 and didnt notice any improvement. a KLZE IM is dirt cheap I would just go with that as long as you have a way to control the VRIS output. Pretty sure people have dynoed 10-20hp gain with just the ze IM with proper VRIS points.
 
Personally I have switched over to a ported klg4 IM. Because on DE heads the manifold also utilizes oval ports, like the g4 does. I ported one, and didn't touch the runners and saw 13whp over a stock manifold. And 4 whp over a straight neck ZE (on DE heads). The g4 can also be opened up to rectangular runners like a ZE manifold, which I have also done. The runners are actually ZE shaped until the down turn in the runners, so opening the ends of the runners up to ZE shape is simple.

That said..on a ZE if you don't want to do the work a straight neck is the way to go..but I don't think it will fit on your car..so g4 or curve neck ze manifold is the way to go.
 
Well its been a long time! I actually picked up a curve neck manifold from the junkyard for $20!! I have everything I need now for the engine minus valve cover gaskets and I/M gaskets. Not sure if this was in the ealier posts but I also have a set of KL31 cams for her. I am doing a side job in the garage right now but as soon as thats done and out my car is going back in so I can finish up the wiring. hopefully by the end of the next week or two I will have my engine fully assembled ( I got it without any of the timing belt components) but it was free so no complaints. and hopefully I'll have the spyder gears back in place in the transmission (also free!) My trunk lid is being finished up by a friend, he welded up the holes and is painting it for me, I got an amazing deal on the paint! Just a little update for you guys, I haven't givin up yet...
 

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