Just bought NFS-underground

Turbo Matty P said:
So you're saying that a slight bump in graphics is worth $530? WTH?? The one thing I've been able to figure out about pc gamers over the years is that pc hardware is like a pissing contest for these people.....your video card is 2 days old?? You suck! I get an extra 13polygons per second and it only costs me $125 a month on my CompUSA credit account, but I got a discount because I bought the thousand dollar audigy sound card...yeah I can play mp3's with a 1% better clarity and 2Mhz louder...what you got punk??!!!

It's a waste, Pc's are for work or email. If you want to game, buy a gaming machine, if you want to listen to music, get a stereo. If you want to watch dvd's buy a dvd player....pc's are nice that you can do a little bit of everything on one machine, but it costs so much to get a decent machine that it isn't worth it.

As for my computer....yes its old and slow. I have a duron 700Mhz overclocked to 920Mhz with a little over 600MB ram. I've got a 20G HDD, cd-rw, dvd-rom, audigy X-gamer 5.1 sound card.....when I built this system 2.5 years ago it cost me a little over $750. It does everything i need to and it does it smoothly. I download music....transfer it over to my xbox via cdrw and then from my xbox through optical audio cable to my Bose Lifestyle system for surround sound duties. I think I've got all the bases pretty well covered.


I couldn't agree more. I've never understood the PC gamer mentality and their hatred towards consoles. I personally could never get into PC games. I just can't sit at my desk, looking at my 19" monitor and really get into a good gaming session. I want to be confortable and have a big screen with big sound. The only time I ever buy PC games is if it is something that I really want and it is not on any console. I'll admit that I do enjoy playing my MAME emulator, but only for short palying sessions.

I guess to each their own. The latest PC I built could more than handle any game out there, but I just don't feel like using it for that. It is mostly net, photo editing, mp3 ripping, and productivity duties. When I'm ready to game, the PC gets turned off.
 
I love consoles. God knows I've owned most of them. But the games for consoles generally have a different feel to them then PC games. Consoles are definitely made more for the younger audience, and often have a more cheesy, toyish feel to them. Outside of the GT series, most car games on consoles are .... crap. The physics are like toy cars. This only makes sense since most people buying consoles are kids/young teens who don't really want super realism, and want more arcadeish style controls

NFSU will sell well. Very well. Is it for me? No. Why? Becuse when I play it, I feel like I'm driving a toy not a "car". This is the same thing they did with the hot pursuit series. they turned it into a arcade game and took away the realism in the driving. If your a long time gamer, and a real gamer, you'll know what I mean by console feel. If your not, you'll just take it as a direct hatred towards consoles which it is not meant to be. Consoles do somethings better. Racing games, sims, and 1st person shooters aren't any of them.

I like a game like porsche unleashed, or my new fav mercedes benz world rally because I feel like I'm "Driving". I can peel out the tires at will, do burn outs, real handbrake control, 360's, I can throw it into a corner and it behaves like it should, drop a gear mash the gas in corner and the tail will come out like it should and when I want it to, and so on ... Driving around fast is a skill.

In NFSU, the handbrake doesn't even really work like a handbrake should. Drifting in NFSU is a laughable bad joke. A stock Civic is taking corners faster and better then a ferrari ever could with no body roll, no understeer/ oversteer. It's brainless fun. Mash the gas, turn the wheel or stick for those still playing with them. Knowing how to "drive" is not needed. great for someone who doesn't know how to drive, and wants to pretend they do. But, for someone who loves driving, it's plain boring.

The tracks are TOOOO SHORT. In todays games, there is NO excuse in my mind to have tracks this short, and this bad. EA has been doing this for too long. They had a really good series back when it started, but since then they ruined it. they seem to think that making short ovals, and just make you to do lap after lap is acceptable. You play other rally games with REAL courses, and these types of tracks in NFS are just boring. Lazy track designers is what I call them. In hot pursuit, did you ever ask yourself a question as the cop is chasing you....why doesn't he just wait for me to come around again? It's a damn circle!

I also want the ability to drive where I want. Go off the course too much in NFSU...what happens? Your car is reset. And what is with reverse? I have to use the brakes to get into reverse? I can't just shift into reverse ? wtf?

I love consoles, and since the prices have come down so much, I'm actually thinking of going out and getting an X-box and mod'ing it. Why? well, I need a 2nd dvd player anyways, and for not much more I can just get an x-box. It won't be my main gaming system. no console has been in a long time. In fact, every console I've bought usually collects more dust then my pc in the past few years. there's just more on PC's and it's a lot cheaper to get games for em :)
 
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I agree with newf except I'm usually a sim fan (F1, Nascar, Gran Turismo) enjoying nfs underground

I have all 3 (well my xbox died when I was adding USB ports for linux) and I barely play them except for GT3 on my ps2 :D
 
I'll play NFSU for a while. But it's not what it could have been.

It's not a BAD game. It's just not what EA wants you to think it is.
 
I don't think developers now can accurtaley portray REAL LIFE car physics on whole cars much less damaged cars.....Look at GT3/4. It is argueably the most realistic sim racing game available and the physics are horrible. How many times have you actually felt turbo boost when accelerating? Never. HOw come there is no correct acceleraton times?? Just watch the clock when you hit 60mph and see what the time is.....it's almost never even close to being correct.
 
I b**** about games because I can. I told the guys I liked that game I was just critiquing. If you can't take listening to us comment on it go to another forum or make your own.
 
I'm on the other side of the fence when it comes to racing games. I love arcade racers because they are fun. Burnout 2 is my all time fave. Is it realistic?? Hell no. I don't enjoy realistic sims because they are too technical to be fun. When I sit down to play a game I want to have a good time. Not stress about how much camber, or what type of shocks, or spoiler height. To me that just isn't fun.
 
zoomzoom02 said:
I just ordered Need for speed underground from www.electronicsbotique.com. (rockon)

i freakin HATE Ebgames, I pre-ordered it and they havent even called me yet!!! the guy said "oh well there r many boxes back there we couldn open all, prolly it will come out next week or so" im like wtf its already out in futureshop!!.. so i wait 2 more days, still no sign, so i go buy it from futureshop still no one called, and im playing it right now..

there is miata mx-5 and rx-7,,.. im sure many cars will be available for download. has anyone got the patch in here? im tryin to get to the site its not working.
 
Turbo Matty P said:
I don't think developers now can accurtaley portray REAL LIFE car physics on whole cars much less damaged cars.....Look at GT3/4. It is argueably the most realistic sim racing game available and the physics are horrible. How many times have you actually felt turbo boost when accelerating? Never. HOw come there is no correct acceleraton times?? Just watch the clock when you hit 60mph and see what the time is.....it's almost never even close to being correct.

GT3 has wonderful physics, and great accuracy in its tracks which will be improved upon only in GT4. The collision physics are what suck, and there is no damage modeling because of licensing issues.
 
the car physics are nice if you're talking about the variation of steering techniques between drivetrain layouts. For instance: it's required to bump steer a high horsepower FWD for best turning while a RWD requires more thorttle steer. AWD cars always bury the nose in turns...I think that part is great, but the physics of acceleration and braking are horribly off. I've owned more than handfull of turbo cars under 300hp that will roast the tires from a 30mph roll. In GT3 not one will do that. Also turbo is the best power adder and most sought after upgrade in the game and it's the least noticable. All it does it up the power curve. There is no driveability difference in a 165hp turbo car and a 500+hp turbo car. What gives?? It all boils down to the designers having to focus their attention on so many areas that they can't excell in them all. I personally love GT3, but feel GT2 is the best racing game ever produced.
 
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Turbo Matty P said:
It all boils down to the designers having to focus their attention on so many areas that they can't excell in them all.

i agree....they had to do sounds and designs on all those cars so they cant possibly all feel different. maybe theres a certain number of chassis variables that can be change by buying parts and they all just have different bodies on the chassis
 
car sounds are the least important features to me. You need three different sounds..and thats it. You need a four cylinder, a V8, and a good turbo spool and blow off. That's it. All brakes and tire squeals should sound the same. I think graphics have reached a plateu where it's safe to focus on something else now. Modifiers are also pretty healthy and will hold up for a while. Car physics and tempo of gameplay are the most important to me. I know that I don't represent a majority, but I feel if designers listened to and acted on my advice gamers would would enjoy them much more.
 
Rism said:
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you like? :D
Very nice,I used to have that same hood for my Top Secret Skyline until I changed it to the Formula one CF.
 
Just a note. When I say I want realistic car physics. I'm not talking games like Nascar or some Indy games. I find them completely over done, and require so much precision it's not fun at all.

I'm talking games like the original NFS ( not it's accident physics though), and NFS porsche unleashed, TOCA 2 ain't bad, and of course the Benz one I mentioned as all. GT3 ain't too bad, but as some pointed out, the physics could be way way better.
 
I hope they tuned the driving physics for gt4. I agree porsche unleashed has reat driving physics. I also like tokyo extreme racing zero.
 
Turbo Matty P said:
So you're saying that a slight bump in graphics is worth $530? WTH?? The one thing I've been able to figure out about pc gamers over the years is that pc hardware is like a pissing contest for these people.....your video card is 2 days old?? You suck! I get an extra 13polygons per second and it only costs me $125 a month on my CompUSA credit account, but I got a discount because I bought the thousand dollar audigy sound card...yeah I can play mp3's with a 1% better clarity and 2Mhz louder...what you got punk??!!!

It's a waste, Pc's are for work or email. If you want to game, buy a gaming machine, if you want to listen to music, get a stereo. If you want to watch dvd's buy a dvd player....pc's are nice that you can do a little bit of everything on one machine, but it costs so much to get a decent machine that it isn't worth it.

As for my computer....yes its old and slow. I have a duron 700Mhz overclocked to 920Mhz with a little over 600MB ram. I've got a 20G HDD, cd-rw, dvd-rom, audigy X-gamer 5.1 sound card.....when I built this system 2.5 years ago it cost me a little over $750. It does everything i need to and it does it smoothly. I download music....transfer it over to my xbox via cdrw and then from my xbox through optical audio cable to my Bose Lifestyle system for surround sound duties. I think I've got all the bases pretty well covered.

I enjoy all sorts of games console and PC. But the versatility of a PC game and physics and graphics are generations ahead of a console.

Some games that came out for PC 2 years ago couldn't run on a console system now....

And look at Half Life 2 and Doom 3 coming out.....these games won't even be able to be run on the next generation consoles. Watch the HL2 demos if you wanna see a real physics engine. I'm not preaching PC gaming here but some of the games are far beyond console generation...like ANY FPS.

Everything is better about the PC game IMO.....if you wanna play a console game plug in a controller...I've got one I use currently for NFS: U, because it really isn't a PC game.

YES, by all means it is expensive, but if you got a fast computer and the hardware to run the new games, you'll be blown away.
 
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