JIC FLTA2 - who has clunking?

I want to bring this back from the dead. I had my FLTA1's installed last week. I am also havig clunking sounds when going over speed bumps and rough roads. However, the clunks do not bother me, but after reading this thread, is it normal? or is it a problem with the JICS? Does anyone have the answer :D?

Also, did anyone have problems with rear camber after install??
 
I've sold my Protege so I can't offer much help.

As you can tell from this thread, my experience with JIC USA wasn't the best one. In the end, they accepted return of my FLTA2's and they issued me a refund. But this was only after about 3 months of a lot of hassle, installation costs, and time. They basically refused to acknowledge there was a problem with the product and insisted I troubleshoot the installation. It was only after they serviced the coilovers, returned them to an authorized shop, and had them re-installed, did they finally grant me a refund after they STILL made the noise.

Back to the topic, to me it is not an acceptable sound, that's why I returned it. Some others might say that it's okay. I wouldn't accept it for a daily driver. The banging noises are loud and obnoxious. For a track car, I suppose it's acceptable because noise comfort usually isn't a top priority. Many other owners of coilovers of various brands have also reported these clunking or banging noises coming from the top mounts of their coilovers. They usually attribute this noise to the metal-to-metal contact from the all-metal (no rubber) top mounts.

After I had the JIC's removed I had Tein S-tech springs and Tokico HP shocks installed. There was an increase in road noise and noise when going over bumps when compared to stock, but only in magnitude and not in quality. These noises are normal, from being lower to the ground, having a more aggressive spring rate, and more aggressiving damping. There were no clunking or banging noises like I had with the JICs, but this is because this configuration utilized the stock upper mounts.

As for the rear camber... excellent question. I don't know about your particular units, cuz you have the FLTA1. But when I received my FLTA2, there were no camber adjustments for the rear. The front has a camber adjustment at the top, but actually that was not intended to align your car. If you notice the markings. I think what it was meant for, was for on-the-fly adjustments to your camber, say for running on the track versus running as a daily driver. For example, you can run slight negative camber for daily driving and then using those top adjustments, run additional negative camber for autocrossing. On the rears, there were no adjustments whatsover.

One solution is to have the bottom bolt holes "slotted"--which means the shop uses a drill to expand the bottom bolt holes in order to align the car properly. I think I was charged about $60 to have the rears slotted, and I never had the fronts slotted but in retrospect that would have been a good idea. By having the fronts slotted as well, you can take advantage of the "on-the-fly" camber adjustment at the top.

Oh yeah and the last thing you probably noticed is that JIC has pretty poor documentation / product support. When I received my units they had no instructions or warranty information.

I wish you the best of luck with your FLTA1 installation. As I said before, the FLTA2 is an amazing product if it didn't have the problems mentioned above. But after my bad experience, I am probably going to switch to a different brand for my next set of aftermarket suspension--maybe Tein.
 
ounkny said:
I've sold my Protege so I can't offer much help.

As you can tell from this thread, my experience with JIC USA wasn't the best one. In the end, they accepted return of my FLTA2's and they issued me a refund. But this was only after about 3 months of a lot of hassle, installation costs, and time. They basically refused to acknowledge there was a problem with the product and insisted I troubleshoot the installation. It was only after they serviced the coilovers, returned them to an authorized shop, and had them re-installed, did they finally grant me a refund after they STILL made the noise.

Back to the topic, to me it is not an acceptable sound, that's why I returned it. Some others might say that it's okay. I wouldn't accept it for a daily driver. The banging noises are loud and obnoxious. For a track car, I suppose it's acceptable because noise comfort usually isn't a top priority. Many other owners of coilovers of various brands have also reported these clunking or banging noises coming from the top mounts of their coilovers. They usually attribute this noise to the metal-to-metal contact from the all-metal (no rubber) top mounts.

After I had the JIC's removed I had Tein S-tech springs and Tokico HP shocks installed. There was an increase in road noise and noise when going over bumps when compared to stock, but only in magnitude and not in quality. These noises are normal, from being lower to the ground, having a more aggressive spring rate, and more aggressiving damping. There were no clunking or banging noises like I had with the JICs, but this is because this configuration utilized the stock upper mounts.

As for the rear camber... excellent question. I don't know about your particular units, cuz you have the FLTA1. But when I received my FLTA2, there were no camber adjustments for the rear. The front has a camber adjustment at the top, but actually that was not intended to align your car. If you notice the markings. I think what it was meant for, was for on-the-fly adjustments to your camber, say for running on the track versus running as a daily driver. For example, you can run slight negative camber for daily driving and then using those top adjustments, run additional negative camber for autocrossing. On the rears, there were no adjustments whatsover.

One solution is to have the bottom bolt holes "slotted"--which means the shop uses a drill to expand the bottom bolt holes in order to align the car properly. I think I was charged about $60 to have the rears slotted, and I never had the fronts slotted but in retrospect that would have been a good idea. By having the fronts slotted as well, you can take advantage of the "on-the-fly" camber adjustment at the top.

Oh yeah and the last thing you probably noticed is that JIC has pretty poor documentation / product support. When I received my units they had no instructions or warranty information.

I wish you the best of luck with your FLTA1 installation. As I said before, the FLTA2 is an amazing product if it didn't have the problems mentioned above. But after my bad experience, I am probably going to switch to a different brand for my next set of aftermarket suspension--maybe Tein.
Offtopic: What did you get , if you dont mind me asking?

Ontopic: Thanks for the suggestion on the camber, its strange because the right rear is fine, but the left rear is off by -1.0, we called JIC and they said to check the installation on the particular one, but I dont think there is nothing wrong with the install. Ill probably end up getting a camber kit anyway, just to save headaches.Thanks for your help.
 
I got an 05 Subaru WRX Wagon 5-speed.
Maybe that camber kit can save you the hassle of getting those bolt holes slotted. Let us all know how that goes--definitely have it set the way you want it, though. You have to do your homework and you can't take everything JIC says at face value. They're trying to blame it on your install (they tried to do the same with me), but as you'll probably discover, that might not be the problem.
 
I've had my A2s for about a year and a half with no clunking issues. I've had other people from the forum in the car and no one complained. As for camber, I had major issues with rear camber and ended up running Eibach camber bolts. They've worked fine, but eventually I'm switching to a KMC camber kit which seems to have less margin of error, but requires some machining to install. You might try (if you haven't already) just loosening everything up and trying to find that degree in the tolerences, mine were off 2-3 degrees.
 
well...i bought my jics alt2 or whatever used from someone on the forum... ever since ive had them in theyve made a "clunking" sound in the rear. this sounds kinda like someone is knocking on the back wheel well or something... happens over bumps, imperfections in the road, speed bumps, pot holes, etc. its kind of irritating, but i really havent cared or done anything about it. the front springs also squeak...sounds like little mouse squeaks when i go over bumps or imperfections in the road..hehe i dont know if thats because i didnt install the stock "teflon/plastic gaskets" between the top of the shock tower and the car body. anyone have any suggestions????

as for the back camber...mine is ******! when i installed the suspension i had to use two sets of spacers to keep the rim/tire away from the struts...the tire would rub against the strut if i didnt use it... i still havent got it fixed, but thinking of getting it done very soon.. the tires dont seem to be worn out too bad so i still have some time

hope this helped and added one to the "clunk" list
 
Skunk 2 coilovers

I have the skunk 2 coilovers that you use on your factory struts. I have them on my mp3 which has the tokico's. I have had them for about 9 months. They suck and make poping, squeecking, and all types of noises in the front only. I have had no trouble out of the back(Yet). I had all sway bar bushings replaced at dealership before install of coilvers and the clunk from that is gone away and has not came back, but winter is going to be here soon. I am about to get rid of the skunk 2 and just buy the Tein Lowering springs. I thought about getting the JIC full coilover set but after reading all of this I am not. I like how slammed I am right now, but the noise is awaful. And the biggest problem is having such a nice car, and having a girl ride with you for the first time and they ask what the crap is all that noise. And then you have to explain it is your expense piece of crap aftermarket suspension that makes your low, look great, handle great, and sound like crap. Anybody tried the Tein lower springs or Eibach lowering springs? How low are they? Got pics?
 
as far as the "clunk" you're hearing, if its what i think it is, its an easy fix.

pop your hood, and look at the tops of the struts. giant gold bolt, i believe its a 7/8" socket, or something close. tighten it until you hear or feel the strut start to move inside the body of the jic.

rinse, repeat on the other three corners (getting to them on the rears in a p5 is a b****, but i can do both of mine in 20min. now), voila...no clunking.

don't ask me why, but they seem to come just a little loose after a couple months and have to be retighted every once and a while. its like a 20 - 30min. process you have to do as general maintenance once every couple months.



if thats not it, then i don't know what to tell you...'cause i haven't had any other noises besides that on my flt-a2's.
 
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