Jack Abramoff pleads guilty

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DOWNSIDE LEGACY AT TWO DEGREES OF PRESIDENT CLINTON

CONVICTIONS

Webster Hubbell
Jim McDougal
Susan McDougal
Gov. Jim Guy Tucker
Stephen Smith
David Hale
Eugene Fitzhugh
Charles Matthews
Robert W. Palmer
Chris Wade
Neal T. Ainley
Larry Kuca
Henry Espy
James Lake
William J. Marks, Sr.
John Latham
John Haley
Michael Brown (Ron Browns son)
Eugene Lum
Nora Lum
Johnny Chung
Tyson Foods
Sun Diamond Growers
Richard Douglas
James Lake
Ron Blackley
Smith Barney
Crop Growers Corporation
Brook Keith Mitchell Sr.
Five M Farming Enterprises
John J Hemmingson
Alvarez T. Ferrouillet, Jr.
Municipal Healthcare Cooperative
Ferrouillet & Ferrouillet
Linda Jones
Patsy Jo Wooten
Allen Wooten
Roger Clinton
Dan Lasater
Bill McCuen
Dan Harmon
Roger Tamraz (Lebanon by default)

INDICTMENTS AND TARGETS

Ron Brown (indictment was pending at time of death)
Herby Branscum
Robert Hill
Mike Espy
Henry Cisneros
Jack Williams
Archie Schaefer
Charlie Trie
Maria Hsia
Nolanda Hill
Bruce Babbit
Ron Carey
Monica Lewinsky
Webster Hubbell, Wife and 2 Others (new charges)
Hillary Clinton
Bill Clinton
Roger Tamraz (France)



PRIVILEGE CLAIMS

Bruce Lindsey
Sid Blumenthal
Hillary Clinton
Secret Service
Fosters Law Firm (Hamilton?)


INTIMIDATION, BEATEN OR THREATENED

Gary Johnson, Beaten
L.J. Davis, Beaten
Russell Welch (Anthrax Poisoning)
Larry Nichols, Threats (Several Attempts)
Dennis Patrick (Four Assassination Attempts)
Linda Tripp, Threats
Sally Perdue, Threats


INTIMIDATION, IRS AUDIT

Paula and Stephen Jones
David Horowitz, head of Drudge defense fund
The American Spectator
Billy Dale (Travel Office)
Texe Marrs
Joseph Farah (World Net Daily)
Chuck Harder (Peoples Network Inc.)
Western Journalism Center
Citizens for a Sound Economy
Manufacturing Policy Project (Pat Choate)
American Life League
Christian Film and Television Commission
National Rifle Association
National Review
American Spectator
National Center for Public Policy Research
American Policy Center
Heritage Foundation
American Cause
Citizens Against Government Waste
Citizens for Honest Government
Freedom Alliance
Progress and Freedom Foundation
Council for National Policy
Concerned Women for America
Center for Bioethical Reform
Free Congress Foundation (warning?
Fortress America (warning?)



INTIMIDATION, CHARACTER

Ken Starr and prosecutorial staff - press materials, Carville declared
"war," and White House officials "our continuing campaign to destroy Ken
Starr" and "stand up to Starr" campaign.

Gary Aldrich
Matt Drudge - $30m Sid Blumenthal suit
Linda Tripp - Pentagon information to New Yorker
David Hale - David Pryor
Rep. Barr & Judicial Committee Members - Mulholland
Billy Dale (Travel Office) Malicious prosecution on trumped-up charges
State Troopers via Buddy Young (Clinton) - (testified to procuring women)
Three state troopers testified that they or their families were threatened
if they talked.

Dolly Kyle Browning testified her brother, a 1992 Clinton campaign
worker, warned "we will destroy you" if she talked.

Jim Robinson - lawsuit threats
Chris Emory
Bruce Bates
Jeff Evans
Margie Gray
Patricia and Glenn Mendoza (shouted remark at president)
William E. Kelly (Chicago)
Kent Masterson Brown
Walter Gazecki
Shelly Davis


INTIMIDATION - TAX EXEMPT STATUS

Christian Coalition
Christian Coalition, California chapter
San Diego Chapter of Christian Coalition
Three chapters of American Family Association
Life Legal Defense Foundation
Pierce Creek Church (Vestal, NY)
Second Baptist Church (Lake Jackson, Texas)



OTHER CRIMINAL ASSOCIATES

Jorge Cabrera
Dan Lasater (Pardon by Gov. Clinton)
Roger Clinton (half brother Pardon by Gov. Clinton)
Arthur Coia
Wang Jun



PRIVATE AND PUBLIC INVESTIGATIVE RESOURCES

2300 FBI Files improperly acquired (White House) - Marceca testified
about these used in White House claims in the firing of the White House
Travel Office.

Terry Lenzer and firm (Private/White House)

Jack Palladino and firm (Private/Campaign)


TESTIMONY IN CONTRADICTION TO THE PRESIDENT

Monica Lewisnky (on the tapes)
Paula Jones
Kathleen Willey
Christy Zercher
Gennifer Flowers
Dolly Kyle Browning
Elizabeth Ward Gracen
Sally Perdue
Pamela Blackard
Debra Ballentine
Larry Patterson
L.D. Brown
Roger Perry
Danny Ferguson (cuts both ways)
David Hale
Jim McDougal


APPEARANCE OF QUID PRO QUO

Loral/Hughes - China Missile Guidance
Indonesia/Riady - Sweet Coal
Webb Hubbell - $700,00 in business in 6 months
Elizabeth Ward Gracen - via Harry Thomason
Teamsters/DNC - Mutual Financial
Larry Lawrence - Buried in Arlington
Goverment Jobs for Sexual Favors - Various Testimony
Paying for Silence - Jones (via Thompson) .
Monica Lewinsky - Jobs/Vernon Jordan
Monica Lewinsky - Job/U.N. Bill Richardson
Larry Lawrence - Switzerland appointment (wife)
Federal contracts to unionized companies (pending)


CLAIMING THE 5TH OR REFUSING TO ANSWER

Susan McDougal Contempt of court
Susan Thomases Clinton Advisor, 108 non-answers
Webster Hubbell Former Associate Attorney General, 112 non-answers
Maggie Williams Hillary Clintons Former Chief of Staff, 96 non-answers
Bruce Lindsey, Advisor, 70 non-answers
Neil Eggleston, Associate Counsel, 106 non-answers
Roger Altman, Deputy Treasury Secretary, 208 non-answers
Hillary Clinton, 58 non-answers
Bill Clinton, 37 non-answers
John Huang
Jane Huang
Johnny Chung
Man Ya Shih
David Wang
Keshi Zhan
Gin F. J. Chen
Siuw Moi Lian
Yi Chu
Mark Middleton
Seow Fong Ooi
Joseph Landon
Bin Yue Jeng
Hsiu Chu Lin
Larry Wong
Duangnet Kronenberg
Jen Chin Hsueh
Na-chi "Nancy" Lee
Chi Rung Wang
Hueutsan Huang
Jou Sheng
Yue Chu
Yogesh Ghandi
Judy Hsu
Man Ho
Steven Hwang
Jane Dewi Tahir
Manlin Foung
Gilbert Colon
Maria Mapili
Yumei Yang
Irene Wu
Jie Su Hsiao
Arapaho/Cheyenne Indians
Mike Lin
Hsiu Luan Tseng
Hsin Chen Shi
Zie Pan Huang
Mark Jimenez
Shu Jen Wu
Michael Brown
Woody Hwang
Charles Intriago
Simon Chen
Sioeng Fei Man
Jessica Elinitiarta
Kent La
Craig Livingstone



FOREIGN WITNESSES, REFUSING TO ANSWER

Ng Lap Seng
Stephen Riady
Roy Tirtadji
Ken Hsui
John Mu cy
James Lin
Eugene Wu
Mochtar Riady
Stanley Ho
Suma Ching Hai
James Riady
Daniel Wu
Ambrose Hsuing
Lay Kweek Wie
Li Kwai Fai
Bruce Cheung



AVOIDING TESTIMONY BY LEAVING THE COUNTRY

Elizabeth Ward Gracen
Pauline Kanchanalak
Ming Chen
Antonio Pan
John H.K. Lee
Agus Setiawan
Ted Sioeng
Dewi Tirto
Subandi Tanuwidjaja
Soraya Wiriadinata
Felix Ma
Susanto Tanuwidjaja
Suryant Tanuwidjaja
Subandi Tanuwidjaja
Yanti Ardi
Nanny Nitiarta
Yopie Elnitiarta
Maureen Elnitiarta
Sandra Elnitiarta
Sundari Elnitiarta


WITNESS THAT LEFT THE COUNTRY, REASON UNKNOWN

Arief Wiriandinata



GOVERNMENT FACILITIES FOR POLITICAL PURPOSES

Lincoln Bedroom v Contributions
Queens Bedroom (overflow from Lincoln Bedroom)
Trade Mission Seats v Contributions
Coffees v Contributions
Fund Raising Calls from White House
White House Legal Office - Personal Defense
Camp David
Air Force One
Kennedy Center



USE OF GOVERNMENT AGENCIES FOR POLITICAL PURPOSE

FBI/Travelgate
INS/Pack the Vote 96
Justice/Firing all US Attorneys
Presidential Counsel's Office/Personal Work



BYPASS BY EXECUTIVE ORDERS

Assault Weapons
Domestic/NSC
Greenhouse (executive order threat)
American Heritage Rivers Initiative
American Heritage Rivers Initiative - Biodiversity Treaty
American Heritage Rivers Initiative - Council on Sustainable Development
(Agenda 21/92 R o Earth Summit)
Designation of 1.7 Million Acres in South Utah Off-limits to Development
(Sweet Coal)


STONEWALLS

Billing records missing for 2 years (subpoenaed, crucial to FDIC
investigation) appeared in White House living area and turned over
several days after statute of limitation expired.

Bruce Lindsey's notes, subpoenaed but not turned over until the day
after the Senate's Whitewater Committee authorization expired.

Hillary Clinton and White House lawyer talks claimed as executive
privilege, then attorney client privilege, appealed to Supreme Court -
ordered turned over.

Existence of diaries subpoenaed in April 97, were "concealed" to October
97 and have not been released. Second set also not disclosed until three
weeks before committee's deadline expired.

Existence of videotapes subpoenaed in April 97 (coffees and
fund-raisers) was not disclosed but then turned over October '97.

FBI files from 91 (Chinese efforts to influence U.S. elections) were
turned over five days after the Senate committee ended its hearings.
White House continues to be unresponsive (from June 96 o date) to
requests by Rep. Dave McIntosh, R-Ind., concerning its 300,000-name database.

White House tried to delay the Paula Jones case until after Clinton left
office, appealed to the Supreme Court, turned down unanimously.

Existence of letters from Willey, subpoenaed by Jones' attorney was
denied, but 15 were produced in response to 60 Minutes interview, by personal
approval of president.

Lewinsky proffer: Clinton told her that if she were in New York, she
might be able to avoid testifying in the Jones lawsuit. Lewinsky proffer:
Clinton told her she would not have to turn over the gifts, subpoenaed by Ms.
Jones's lawyers, if she did not have them in her possess on.

Lewinsky proffer: Clinton told her that she could explain her White
House visits as trips to see Ms. Currie. (Only Currie was on vacation
during some of them).

Clinton met with Ms. Currie on a Sunday in January, the day after his
deposition in the Paula Jones case, posed and answered a series of
questions to guide her through an account of his relationship with
Lewinsky. The president placed Betty Currie at the center of all
Lewinsky-related matters. Mr. Clinton took Ms. Currie on his recent trip
to Africa.

Lewinsky tapes: she claims Clinton directed her to testify falsely in
the Jones case. Under oath Ms. Tripp said she was told by Lewinsky to "lie
and deny," Lewinsky passed along to Ms. Tripp three pages of "talking
points" giving her inst uctions on how to lie under oath.

Clinton/Flowers tape: Clinton says "deny it" Flowers says "The only
thing that concerns me . . . at this point, is the state job," to which
Clinton replies, "Yeah, I never thought about that. . . . If they ever ask if
you've talked to me about it, you can say no." Refusal to allow access
to medical records.



Clinton's statement he had "no specific recollection" of his meeting
with Ms. Willey, v a later statement that he "has a very clear memory"
of the meeting.

Clinton denials in 1992 60 Minutes interview regarding Gennifer Flowers
(6 six years later) answering yes under oath.

Clinton's 1994 statement on executive privilege, "It's hard for me to
imagine a circumstance in which that would be an appropriate thing for
me to do" and counsel (Cutler's) statement that (1994) it is practice "not
to assert executive privilege" in circumstances involving communications
relating to investigations of personal wrongdoing by government
officials executive privilege claims.

The president has denied, under oath and in public statements, any sexual relations with Lewinsky. There are 20 hours of tape recordings between Lewinsky and Tripp, which details her affair with the president.

Lewinsky proffer confirms a sexual relationship with him. Lewinsky told others about her encounters with the president. Others claim to have heard Clinton's messages left on her answering machine. The president gave Lewinsky gifts.



RESIGNATIONS

George Stephanopoulos
David Gergen
Dee Dee Myers
Dick Morris
Robert Reich
Ira Magaziner
Frederico Pena
Harold Ickes
Mike Espy
Roger Altman
Les Aspin
Leon Panetta
Hazel O'Leary
Warren Christopher
Lanny Davis
Franklin Raines (pending)
Richard Riley (rumored)
Robert Rubin (rumored)
Mike McCurry (rumored)
Thomas ("Mack") McLarty (rumored)

DEATHS - "SUICIDES"

Vincent Foster (Whitehouse Deputy Counsel, Gunshot to mouth)

Admiral Boorda (Clinton's Chief of Naval Operations) Official version:
He killed himself out of mortification because Newsweek didn't like
his medals. Unofficial version: Boorda was chagrined at the way the
Clinton administration abused distinguished career naval officers and
was contemplating resignation. Gunshot to heart.

Kathy Ferguson (ex-wife of Clinton co-defendant, Gunshot to head)
(Had told friends Clinton sexually harrassed her; had knowledge of Clinton's
"regulars.")

Bill Shelton (Arkansas state trooper, Kathy Ferguson's fiancee, Gunshot
to head)

Susan Coleman (Alleged Clinton Girlfriend, 7.5 months pregnant, Gunshot
to head)

Jon Parnell Walker (RTC Investigator on Whitewater, fell from top of
Lincoln Towers)

Ed Willey ( Democratic Fundraiser, Gunshot to head)

Danny Casolaro (Reporter investigating Clinton Scandals) Slashed wrists

DEATHS - HOMICIDES

Mary Mahoney (Former White House intern shot multiple times in a
Starbucks, no money taken)

Luther "Jerry" Parks (Provided security for Clinton's campaign, multiple
gunshots)

Florence Martin (Accountant -- had documents on Mena accounts) Three
gunshots to the head

Don Ives (Witness to Mena, gunshot/left to be run over by train)

Kevin Henry (Witness to Mena, gunshot/left to be run over by train)



DEATHS - "ACCIDENTS"

Ron Brown, Plane Crash (Commerce, Pathologists question wound to head on
xrays)

Victor Raiser, Plane Crash (National Finance Co-Chair Clinton for
President)

R. Montgomery Raiser, Plane Crash (Clinton campaign)

Herschell Friday, Plane Explosion (Presidential Campaign Finance
Committee)

Dr. Ronald Rogers (Plane crash) Was enroute to tell Clinton "dirt"
to Ambrose Evans Pritchard

Stanley Heard, Plane Crash (Clinton Health Care Advisory Committee)
Steven Dickson, Plane Crash (Clinton Health Care Advisory Committee)
Paula Gober, Car Accident (Clinton Speech Interpreter)
Johnny Lawhon, Car Accident (Found Whitewater Canceled Check in Car
after Tornado)
Betty Currie's brother, Car/Pedestrian Accident (Key Witness brother)
Shelley Kelly, Survived Brown Plane Crash - died hours later
(Stewardess)
Judy Gibbs, (Alleged Clinton Girlfriend, Witness)

DEATHS - UNKNOWN

Barbara Wise (Mickey Kantor's press secretary found dead, nude, in a
locked office at Commerce)
Paul Tulley (Democratic National Committee, in Hotel Room)
Paul Wilcher (Attorney who investigated Mena) Cause of death not reported
 
Harry Reid, Senate MINORITY LEADER, he is the top Democrat in the Senate.

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A picture of Harry "Corrupt" Reid with Lurch Kerry's african-american wife. (poke)

Reid "sent a letter to Norton on March 5, 2002," reported the AP. "The next day, the Coushattas issued a $5,000 check to Reid's tax-exempt political group, the Searchlight Leadership Fund. A second tribe represented by Abramoff sent an additional $5,000 to Reid's group. Reid ultimately received more than $66,000 in Abramoff-related donations between 2001 and 2004."
 
I like the stuff about the plane crashes, but it's still all just heresay without sources. And even if the Clinton admin. did all you say, does that give the current admin. license to do what they want?
 
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MinivanHunter said:
Reid ultimately received more than $66,000 in Abramoff-related donations between 2001 and 2004."
Who here is saying he's inoccent? I'm the one who made sure to include the Dems in this thread.
 
MinivanHunter said:
This goes right up to the TOP of the Democratic Party in the Senate. Harry Reid is the Minority Leader in the Senate, Harry Reid (D-Nev.), received at least $68,941 from Abramoff.

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This goes right to the TOP of the D.N.C. (hah) (hah)

Idiot..one man does not equal the Democratic party. What a tool.
 
1killercls said:
Idiot..one man does not equal the Democratic party. What a tool.

Idiot, he is not just one man, he is the LEADER of the DEMOCRATS in the SENATE.

Also, these other Democrats :

worst examples of "Democrat hypocrisy" for taking money from Abramoff and his associates are: Sen. Byron Dorgan, (D-N.D.) who received at least $79,300; Sen. Tom Harkin (D-Iowa), who received at least $45,750; Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.), who received at least $68,941 and Sen. Debbie Stabenow (D-Mich.), who received at least $6,250.

Dorgan is among the lawmakers who have already returned campaign donations or given those donations to charity.

What a tool (hah) (hah)
 
pingdum said:
And even if the Clinton admin. did all you say, does that give the current admin. license to do what they want?
Well?
 
MinivanHunter said:
that should read : I'm the one who made sure to include some of the Dems in this thread.
You're into semantics, show me where I said this?
 
I wanna know wtf clinton has to do with any of this. Also...if we are bringing up past bad presidents and corrupt party folks..what about Mr. Nixon??? (first)
 
MinivanHunter said:
Idiot, he is not just one man, he is the LEADER of the DEMOCRATS in the SENATE.

Still not the whole party as you say.
Also, these other Democrats :

worst examples of "Democrat hypocrisy" for taking money from Abramoff and his associates are: Sen. Byron Dorgan, (D-N.D.) who received at least $79,300; Sen. Tom Harkin (D-Iowa), who received at least $45,750; Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.), who received at least $68,941 and Sen. Debbie Stabenow (D-Mich.), who received at least $6,250.

Dorgan is among the lawmakers who have already returned campaign donations or given those donations to charity.

What a tool (hah) (hah)

Here is the real math...He gave money to over 200 members of congress, of those 37% were Dems. (owned)

Now what? that's 2 Repubs for every Dem.
 
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1killercls said:
Here is the real math...He gave money to over 200 members of congress, of those 37% were Dems. (owned)

Now what? that's 2 Repubs for every Dem.
This proves Cons are twice as corrupt as Dems:p
 
Looks like he has all of his U2 cd's arranged in chronological order. "The Anal Retentive Conservative"
 

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Where did you get those pix? It's funny that someone with a hatred of minivans has no problem with dark blue 4 door sedans.
 
pingdum said:
Where did you get those pix? It's funny that someone with a hatred of minivans has no problem with dark blue 4 door sedans.

Those are his parents cars. (thumb)
 

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