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well I have a 2006 sport with no issues what so ever. Are you saying that I am lucky? Or do you think you have a lemon?

Also...considering 5000 of these were built in 2006..I would hardly say that 42 that are smokers is really a huge number. I think alot has to do with the way you drive and service your car. Otherwise why has mine been flawless other than the re-flash?

You beat on anything hard enough and it will degrade faster...not saying you did this...:)

yeah, i agree. my car has had its share of minor problems, but nothing major. looking on an enthusiasts board for a normally driven car is like going to a Weight Watchers meeting looking for an anorexic. it just isn't going to happen.
 
yeah, i agree. my car has had its share of minor problems, but nothing major. looking on an enthusiasts board for a normally driven car is like going to a Weight Watchers meeting looking for an anorexic. it just isn't going to happen.

I drive my car normally! (wiggle)
 
I had a V6 '04 Mazda 6 for two years with no problems, that is why I picked this one up, I thought it would be the same. I can't say my driving has worsened, or improved over the past year.

I have never been to the track, I drive 70 miles/day on the highway. My daily driving is better for the car than most in this regard.
 
Okay so its been awhile but I finally took my car in for them to fix the issue of white smoke. Note I have mods, AEM intake, Cat-Back, and ATP Downpipe. They didnt do anything. All they said is that my turbo seals are bad, my oil return line is bad, and some other seal is bad. They want to charge me 800 to swap them out with new ones and they had voided my warrenty for my turbo. I have to try to find a way where my downpipe had nothing to do with the damage, and I know it didnt because its been bad before I put my mods on, I was just an idiot and didnt take it in to them then. They also said that if I put OEM parts back on they wont do anything, luckly my cousin worked for the dealership for 2 1/2years and was almost the #1 sales man every month:), so hes calling them to see what they can do for me. Ladies and Gents, dont touch the cats, #1 it mess's ur crap up and #2 it takes forever to take off. Actually if anyone knows of the fastest way to take of downpipe please let me know.... MERRY CHRISTMAS!
 
The following are my thoughts on how the smoking issue and aftermarket exhaust components are related. Flame away...

The 2.3 L DISI turbocharged MZR engine is boosted by a Hitachi K04 turbo that is suspected of having faulty turbo seals. There are numerous reports of replaced turbos for this problem and an excellent write up including pictorial evidence in the Forced Induction section of the mazdas247.com forum. It would interesting if those that have replaced their turbos with stock or aftermarket units had experienced smoking that had stopped upon replacement of the turbo.
This missive addresses the belief by some that the aftermarket exhaust modifications (DP, RP, CBE) somehow cause the engine to smoke. The smoke in question is a bluish smoke indicative of burning oil. Contrary to most peoples understanding, smoke of any kind is particulate (solid phase material) and not gaseous.
Changing the stock exhaust does not change the nature of the materials leaving the exhaust side of the turbo. Immediately after the exhaust exits the turbo however, there are dramatic changes with a different exhaust system. An aftermarket performance exhaust typically will have larger diameter tubing, high flow or no catalytic converter, and a high flow muffler and resonator system. All of these elements work to allow the exhaust to flow as freely as possible out of the motor. They do not however, change the material before it leaves the motor.
The 2.3 L DISI turbocharged MZR engine that comes in the Mazdaspeed6, Mazdaspeed3 and the CX-7 is outfitted with a restrictive DP containing two catalytic converters and connected to a restrictive exhaust system. A three-way catalytic converter has three simultaneous tasks:
1. Reduction of nitrogen oxides to nitrogen and oxygen: 2NOx → xO2 + N2
2. Oxidation of (non greenhouse gas, but toxic) carbon monoxide to less harmful (greenhouse gas) carbon dioxide: 2CO + O2 → 2CO2
3. Oxidation of unburnt hydrocarbons to carbon dioxide and water: 2CxHy + (2x+y/2)O2 → 2xCO2 + yH2O
All of these exhaust elements result in increase exhaust gas temperatures relative to a typical aftermarket exhaust components. Replacement of any or all of the stock exhaust components will result in:
1. Faster exhaust gas flow
2. Faster expansion of exhaust gases
3. Cooler exhaust temperatures
a. more efficient exhaust gas expansion
b. shorter residence time of hot exhaust gases in the system
If our engines were burning oil from leaking turbo seals, it is likely that this hydrocarbon particulate could be oxidized to gaseous material all or in part during travel through the stock exhaust system for the following reasons:
1. reduction of the NOx gases will produce oxygen which will react with hydrocarbon particulate
2. Both CO and CO2 oxidizing materials that can oxidize particulate hydrocarbon
3. Oxidation of particulate hydrocarbon increases in efficiency with temperature, i.e. r = kt, where r is rate, k is Boltzmanns constant and t is temperature
4. Increased residence time in the exhaust components will promote oxidation of particulate hydrocarbon materials.
Replacement of the stock exhaust components will result in less residence time, cooler temperatures, and reduced or eliminated catalytic converter function resulting in less oxidizing media. The cooler temperatures afforded with improved flow (aftermarket exhaust) will allow for condensation of hot exhaust products to solid particles or liquid droplets, in other words, smoke.
In short, an aftermarket exhaust will make your car smoke only if the engine is producing the materials (burnt oil) for smoke to form. In our case the oil is most likely coming from turbo seal problems. In any case, the exhaust does not cause issue resulting in the smoke, it just causes you to see it.

You say that the turbo has been suspected for having shity seals. Please let me know where I can get this information and how I can take it in to mazda, that way they will see that they are shity stock.
 
In our case the oil is most likely coming from turbo seal problems. In any case, the exhaust does not cause issue resulting in the smoke, it just causes you to see it.

So it is adventageous to put an aftermarket exhaust if nothing more than to make salient bad turbo seals... Then you need to convince your dealership to replace your turbo but after you remove the exhaust component(s).
 
technically, altering your cats will only void your emissions warranty. every new car made is gauranteed to pass 50 state emissions for 10 years i think it is, so by removing your cats, you threw this one out the window.
your power train warranty should still be in tact. if it is in fact the seals and oil lines, and you did nothing to modify them (or mess with them at all) then you can argue that fact. i can hardly imagine how under normal conditions a downpipe would cause the seals or oil lines to go, if the install was done right.
 
Yeah thats what I have heard. Plus I hope its right because I really dont want to take the dp off. It takes forever to do. And you need all the tools and such. Pain in the A@%
 
There is word that a member had seals go bad on his 2008 MS3. He and I have nearly identical production dates 07/07. I will keep you guys posted.
 
if mines gonna go I hope it goes under warrenty, I wonder if this is covered under the 60,000 mile powertrain warrenty?
 
Not sure if this has been posted yet but, I have an SU test pipe and ever since I installed it ive had CRAZY SMOKE! Im nervous to go to mazda and tell them about the turbo seal and have them flip the switch on me and tell me its because of the TP im not gonna remove the intercooler, because im a clutz and will prob break something. How bad is this for the car?


thanks
 
Upgrading the turbo or installing a bigger one isn't going to make the problem go away. I installed my turbo and no more than a week I noticed oil blow-by in the compressor side. Its not going to hurt anything so it doesn't bother me too much. Although I am going to install another one just to see if I can make since of the whole situation. I plan on getting a J and midpipe before I do just to make it isn't the backpressure causing the seals to blow.

My second guess about why the seals blow is the stock oil inlet. Too much oil pressure would certainly make the seals blow, right?
 
That I have no clue. But does anyone think that "if i get my seals fixed, or get a brand new turbo, and was to throw my downpipe back on...would i get this problem again?"
 
That I have no clue. But does anyone think that "if i get my seals fixed, or get a brand new turbo, and was to throw my downpipe back on...would i get this problem again?"

you shouldn't. i don't personally know of anybody that had the seals and turbo replaced stock for stock that has had the problem again.
 
what i want to know is the turbo still leaking oil even with it completely stock, but the just not smoking because of the cats? that could be a SERIOUS problem cuz you would have NO evidence that it is going bad
 
Yeah my car use to smoke up before I put on mods. People say the intake is a big factor of the smoke. Im wondering what mazda says to people that have the mazda cold air on and take their car in. If its a mazda part that doesnt avoid warrenty, and with it the car smokes up, and some1 has taken it in 3 times.....LEMON:). Hey I would love to get all my money back and pick up the speed 6 in 2 more years when its gonna be perfect and mod friendly
 
Add one more to list of smoking Speed6's. Mine started smoking after about 23,000 miles. Took it to dealer, bad seal in the turbo. Got a new turbo and no more smoke. I got 39,800 on it now and its back in the shop as of yesterday. Started bucking and studdering if the RPM's get near 3000-4000k and the engine light came on. Early indications fromt he dealer say it's a bad ignition coil. I'm thinking it's something else but we'll see.
 
My seals went bad around 17K. The tech guy said that he had a few speed6's come in for smoke coming from the tailpipes. All had bad seals he said. He replaced the whole turbo for free of course and as I was getting ready to leave he told me Mazda made some changes to the turbos(the seals specifically) to keep this from happening. I ask him if I had the new turbo with the updated seals and he said he wasn't sure. He told me that he would looked up the info and get back to me. I ended up moving to Texas shortly afterward so I never heard back. I haven't had any problems for the last 3K...keeping fingers crossed. I still wonder if there was indeed updated seals for these turbos of if he was mistaken.(uhm)
 
I read up to page 4 and just skipped ahead to the last page.

Here's my take, coming from a complete Turbo novice, as well as someone who plans on keeping this car for a long time, in good working order:

It seems that these cars seem to smoke whenever the exhaust system is touched at all.

It seems that by replacing the exhaust, all that does is expose the problem rather than cause it.

It seems that Mazda already recognizes the existing turbo design is flawed, as they are so openly willing to replace the turbos when they smoke.

It seems that Mazda and Ford have already decided that the turbos used in the 3/6/CX-7 will not be used going forward with Ford's EcoBoost engines (which essentially are Mazda's direct injection designed engines):
http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123715089

Most of us still have another 2 or 3 years before our warranty is up. And we all still maintain the option to extend it. It's not uncommon for a company to keep replacing the defective product until a solution has been created.

When I had my 05 GTO, they replaced my Dana rear axle 4 times because even after proper break-in (500 miles under 55mph), they would still howl and the differential would go bad each time. And everytime, they'd just swap it again. Even Dana started a core-exchange with GM because they knew how widespread the issue was.

Mazda is most likely going to issue some form of recall once Honeywell goes into full-effect. After enough testing, and enough confirmation, they hopefully will start replacing smoking turbos with newly designed turbos. In this case, it seems that Honeywell will be the turbo of choice.

This is the logic i'll be following until further notice. Otherwise, i'll enjoy my unmodded MS3 in the meantime. That is..until my wallet starts burning a hole in my pocket.
 
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.......Here's my take....It seems that these cars seem to smoke whenever the exhaust system is touched at all. It seems that by replacing the exhaust, all that does is expose the problem rather than cause it.

One shouldn't make a blanket assumption on all Speed3/6 cars based on a few cases of anectdotal evidence posted on an internet forum. My `07 Speed6 with over 10k miles is a rocket on wheels (with an occasional blast of 18 psi) with NO problems with mods as listed in sig. I run 10w30 M1 oil...

.....It seems that Mazda already recognizes the existing turbo design is flawed, as they are so openly willing to replace the turbos when they smoke......It seems that Mazda and Ford have already decided that the turbos used in the 3/6/CX-7 will not be used going forward with Ford's EcoBoost engines (which essentially are Mazda's direct injection designed engines)

The K-04 turbo used in the Speed 3/6 is an existing plain-bearing (not ball bearing) design used on other cars and does indeed have some documented longevity/rotating shaft problems at the turbo rpms necessary to produce ~15 psi boost. If running at or above the 15psi max for a "period" of time(?) the shaft will overheat and the seals will leak. Make sure you don't run the 5w20 oil. Must run 5w30 or heavier. Check it out here: http://www.clubb5.com/information/ko4.shtml

If you pay for the dealer or other to change your oil, I expect you have 5w20 in the crankcase... Worst case the turbine wheel will begin to touch the housing and make a screeching noise until it fails completely. A local dealer has replaced one CX-7 turbo that failed catastrophically. None for smoking...

Note that Honeywell is the designer and builder of Garrett brand turbos, so the new turbo will likely have Garrett stamped on them and be ball-bearing designs.


Mazda is most likely going to issue some form of recall once Honeywell goes into full-effect......

Not likely, considering the small number of reported failures vs the number of cars (Speed 3/6, CX-7) sold... I don't care because I understand the risks of modding and I already have the big turbo is on my shelf, but maybe for those remaining on the OEM turbo...
 
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