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[InlineTwin]

Okay, so most of you who have this problem have installed a CAI and downpipe, which affects the top end power and AFR. The downpipe specifically helps the turbine flow more air mass. Did you consider the fact that you may be over-spinning the turbo and this is the cause of oil consumption? The turbo rides on journal bearings with a dynamic seal on the compressor side, it can only take so much. Increasing the demand at the top end would force the turbo to spin at a much higher rpm (where the extra power comes from when you reduce the pressure in the exhaust).
I do not think this is Mazda's fault; I have 17K miles on my car and the TB is dry. No mods.

Just a thought before anyone starts a scene at their local dealer.

 

[Kansei]

The MS6/MS3 turbo isn't dual ball bearing? :'(

But yes, I agree that all this free flowing exhaust stuff isn't doing anything to help the situation. This is a case where Mazda can easily say that your mods are to blame.

 

[Killer]

Okay, so most of you who have this problem have installed a CAI and downpipe, which affects the top end power and AFR. The downpipe specifically helps the turbine flow more air mass. Did you consider the fact that you may be over-spinning the turbo and this is the cause of oil consumption? The turbo rides on journal bearings with a dynamic seal on the compressor side, it can only take so much. Increasing the demand at the top end would force the turbo to spin at a much higher rpm (where the extra power comes from when you reduce the pressure in the exhaust).
I do not think this is Mazda's fault; I have 17K miles on my car and the TB is dry. No mods.

Just a thought before anyone starts a scene at their local dealer.

Bingo.

 

[ssinstaller]

Okay, so most of you who have this problem have installed a CAI and downpipe, which affects the top end power and AFR. The downpipe specifically helps the turbine flow more air mass. Did you consider the fact that you may be over-spinning the turbo and this is the cause of oil consumption? The turbo rides on journal bearings with a dynamic seal on the compressor side, it can only take so much. Increasing the demand at the top end would force the turbo to spin at a much higher rpm (where the extra power comes from when you reduce the pressure in the exhaust).
I do not think this is Mazda's fault; I have 17K miles on my car and the TB is dry. No mods.

Just a thought before anyone starts a scene at their local dealer.

I've got an intake, 3" inlet pipe, and turboback exaust(no cats), but I also have no oil anywhere in the intake tract or on the throttlebody, and I've never noticed any oil loss--even though I've seen ALOT of smoke on a couple of occasions... While the extra flow may overspin the turbo, I don't think it's causing any problems beacuse I have never seen any smoke at higher rpms or high boost levels. The only time I ever get any smoke is the first minute or two of driving after letting the car idle for awhile.

That being said I don't think the smoke I'm getting is mazda's fault, the system worked the way they designed it. I modified the system, and now I'll just have to live with a few adverse effects to get my extra HP..

 

[Kansei]

I've got an intake, 3" inlet pipe, and turboback exaust(no cats), but I also have no oil anywhere in the intake tract or on the throttlebody, and I've never noticed any oil loss--even though I've seen ALOT of smoke on a couple of occasions... While the extra flow may overspin the turbo, I don't think it's causing any problems beacuse I have never seen any smoke at higher rpms or high boost levels. The only time I ever get any smoke is the first minute or two of driving after letting the car idle for awhile.

That being said I don't think the smoke I'm getting is mazda's fault, the system worked the way they designed it. I modified the system, and now I'll just have to live with a few adverse effects to get my extra HP..

Glad to see someone else who doesn't get some ultimate sense of entitlement via the factory warranty. You mod, you gotta be ready to pay the price. Yes, it sucks that people are getting oil consumption and have oil pooling up near the throttle body but unless your intake/exhaust and boost level is all totally stock, you can't complain.

I hope you guys find some way to reduce the oil consumption though, it's kinda sucky that it does it with minimal mods. Is the oil pressure really high or something?

 

[skylinemonster]

Glad to see someone else who doesn't get some ultimate sense of entitlement via the factory warranty. You mod, you gotta be ready to pay the price. Yes, it sucks that people are getting oil consumption and have oil pooling up near the throttle body but unless your intake/exhaust and boost level is all totally stock, you can't complain.

I hope you guys find some way to reduce the oil consumption though, it's kinda sucky that it does it with minimal mods. Is the oil pressure really high or something?

Mazda designed a system to work for normal use. I understand that. But, they also have to realize that this is their flagship vehicle right now, people are gonna get a taste and want more because it's inviting, probably more so than the late great rx-7 in today's world b/c the rotary has had more issues than one can count and for that never took off and the speed6 is much more useful/economical, and with DISI, its the next best thing. But, the facts still remain:

The engine burns oil which comes from a turbine seal on the compressor side, whether we can see smoke or not. Yes we bolt on some parts, try to relieve stress off the engine for more power, allow it to spin more freely, and expose all the imperfections like smoked oil. But, here's the question you have to ask yourself, how many other factory turbo cars do this after an intake, a downpipe and an exhaust? Not too many and that's what makes me shake my head. I've ran down the list over and over and know alot of people without this burden, (with different vehicles of course).

CP-E also has a very interesting perspective or should I say factual information they gathered of why Mazda chose to do this. It is intentional, and that's what I don't like. I love my car everyday, because it pulls like a banshee with just with 3 different bolt ons. There are no ill effects in performance whatsoever from this situation, no CEL's and I dont expect there to be. What i don't like is when my car is just taking a breather, idling so to speak, the seal cannot handle a vacuum state and then plooms cumulous clouds into the sky.

What i've decided is that the top mount is coming off when cp-e finishes their front core and perhaps the smoking will go away all together because the oil just won't be able to travel upwards to the throttle, but will probably just collect somewhere else, and i'm ok with that, as long as I dont see it. Right now with the factory core design is like a ski slope right to the throttle plate, not to mention a heat soker. Getting Mazda to replace a seal that was designed to be the way it is, probably will not happen, plus I do not trust a dealership tech to disassemble any component on this engine. I love my speed6 i just don't love what mazda ended up doing when they developed their seals.

 

[Killer]

I think this falls into "If you MOD your car under warranty...be prepared to pay the price".

 

[Hate]

Mazda designed a system to work for normal use. I understand that. But, they also have to realize that this is their flagship vehicle right now, people are gonna get a taste and want more because it's inviting, probably more so than the late great rx-7 in today's world b/c the rotary has had more issues than one can count and for that never took off and the speed6 is much more useful/economical, and with DISI, its the next best thing. But, the facts still remain:

The engine burns oil which comes from a turbine seal on the compressor side, whether we can see smoke or not. Yes we bolt on some parts, try to relieve stress off the engine for more power, allow it to spin more freely, and expose all the imperfections like smoked oil. But, here's the question you have to ask yourself, how many other factory turbo cars do this after an intake, a downpipe and an exhaust? Not too many and that's what makes me shake my head. I've ran down the list over and over and know alot of people without this burden, (with different vehicles of course).

CP-E also has a very interesting perspective or should I say factual information they gathered of why Mazda chose to do this. It is intentional, and that's what I don't like. I love my car everyday, because it pulls like a banshee with just with 3 different bolt ons. There are no ill effects in performance whatsoever from this situation, no CEL's and I dont expect there to be. What i don't like is when my car is just taking a breather, idling so to speak, the seal cannot handle a vacuum state and then plooms cumulous clouds into the sky.

What i've decided is that the top mount is coming off when cp-e finishes their front core and perhaps the smoking will go away all together because the oil just won't be able to travel upwards to the throttle, but will probably just collect somewhere else, and i'm ok with that, as long as I dont see it. Right now with the factory core design is like a ski slope right to the throttle plate, not to mention a heat soker. Getting Mazda to replace a seal that was designed to be the way it is, probably will not happen, plus I do not trust a dealership tech to disassemble any component on this engine. I love my speed6 i just don't love what mazda ended up doing when they developed their seals.

Flagship vehicle would include the whole 6 family, not just the Speed6.

When designing a vehicle, the measure is how it does against another vehicle stock, not with mods. I'm sure there is something you could do freely on the Speed6, that you cannot do on another factory turbo vehicle without causing an issue. Even so, you can't solely place the blame on the manufacture, as they didn't make the aftermarket parts for the car. Keyword being aftermarket. Is it a dirty question for me to ask if this exact issue was known by the makers of said aftermarket parts before it was on the market?

People who mod their vehicles are a small, small minority of the buyers. Mazda does in fact realize people will mod their vehicles. This is evident because of the fact that they can and will void the warranty on the parts you modify.

 

[Killer]

Mazda Flagship = CX-9

 

[Hate]

Mazda Flagship = CX-9

For 2007 maybe...

 

[Afroman]

Just to get back on topic:

Skyline, have you gone to the dealership yet?

So far, two people have gone to the dealer. One got a turbo replacement and the other hasnt written back yet.

More action, less argueing will solve the problem. If you think you have a case even with your mods, go to the dealer get it fixed and post your accomplishment.

 

[Speed6 Guy]

Flagship car lol not the Mazdaspeed6 Sorry.

 

[Skywlkr]

Just to get back on topic:

Skyline, have you gone to the dealership yet?

So far, two people have gone to the dealer. One got a turbo replacement and the other hasnt written back yet.

More action, less argueing will solve the problem. If you think you have a case even with your mods, go to the dealer get it fixed and post your accomplishment.

Currently mazda does not see this as a problem. As it was previously mentioned the turbo will burn some oil and oil lose it expected. The pictures that show the oil is normal from what the New England service manager told me. He said the blue smoke however is not. If your car smokes for a while after start up or while ideling they will look into it, but he has not encountered any issue with a leak in the turbo as of yet.

So at the moment this has not become a large enough issue for them to even know about it. As he said he has not seen any issues through any of his dealerships as of yet.

 

[firespeed6]

I just got my car back from the dealership for my lack of power, they replaced my tb. I had them watch the SMOKE COMING OUT the tailpipe. They did some looking and said they are ordering a new turbo. They did not say a word about my mazdaspeed cai or my magnaflow cat back.

 

[Kansei]

I just got my car back from the dealership for my lack of power, they replaced my tb. I had them watch the SMOKE COMING OUT the tailpipe. They did some looking and said they are ordering a new turbo. They did not say a word about my mazdaspeed cai or my magnaflow cat back.

Some dealerships are so loose with warranty repairs that I'm surprised they can profit at all not gonna complain though because it benefits the consumers until they go under

 

[InlineTwin]

I don't want to come across as the disagreeing sort, but I will throw this out there anyway. I don't think the dealership pays for the warranty work; they bill Mazda Corporate (Ford?) directly. If it were otherwise I think all dealerships would go out of business quickly!

So in that regard I am not surprised that they are willing to replace the turbo; they get a little extra work. Everyone has a budget, and if you can pay your tech (who would otherwise be standing around) with someone elses money, why not?

 

[firespeed6]

They told me it is the first they have had to change out so wish me luck! I am sure if there are a bunch of these turbo's getting replaced it should throw up a red flag! How many does it take before they take a good look at the design?

 

[Hate]

I don't want to come across as the disagreeing sort, but I will throw this out there anyway. I don't think the dealership pays for the warranty work; they bill Mazda Corporate (Ford?) directly. If it were otherwise I think all dealerships would go out of business quickly!

So in that regard I am not surprised that they are willing to replace the turbo; they get a little extra work. Everyone has a budget, and if you can pay your tech (who would otherwise be standing around) with someone elses money, why not?

You are right, they don't pay for it, Mazda does, but I don't think they make much, (if any) performing warranty work either. That's why they want you coming back for service. Pretty much pure profit.

 

[Brian MP5T]

Meh..

 

[Hate]

So what is it safe for me to put on my car without seeing smoke? Downpipe only, cat back only, neither? Does everyone seeing smoke definately have these two parts? I think the whole situation does suck for the record, but understand that it's a risk you take when you step into the world of aftermarket parts, so I don't blame Mazda.

There are just some things I cannot see myself leaving stock though. The reason I ask this now is because had it not been for this thread, I would probably be in this same situation in a month or so.