Iraqis Beheading Americans

it's great that the US had good intentions, but i don't think the government really took the time to think their strategy through...

you can't honestly expect Iraqis to accept americans with open arms? cuz they had a bad life doesn't mean they'll like anybody who tries to help them out...
their culture and lifestyle has been around thousands of years and so deeply ingrained into them, they don't know anything else, and obviously, don't want to be forced into a form of society that they can't even begin to comprehend.
 
Lil Freek said:
it's great that the US had good intentions, but i don't think the government really took the time to think their strategy through...

you can't honestly expect Iraqis to accept americans with open arms? cuz they had a bad life doesn't mean they'll like anybody who tries to help them out...
their culture and lifestyle has been around thousands of years and so deeply ingrained into them, they don't know anything else, and obviously, don't want to be forced into a form of society that they can't even begin to comprehend.
exactly, do you think if an Islamic nation invaded us everyone would just, open their arms and convert, no i know we woulden't but i gueese if we got invaded it be alright to 'CUT EVERYONES HEADS OFF'
 
Truley ****** up. But who couldn't guess that all we had to do was give them a reason to do something like this? I saw it coming. God damn, I wish the US would stop ******* around in other countries. **** them, leave them be. Who cares? Then maybe we wont have something like this happening to Americans.
Here's the vid, if anybody cares.
watch the video SNIKE - tell me if you still can't blame them for doing what they did. Maybe write the family a letter and tell them. I hope you get ******* drafted.
www.ogrish.com
 
you know i had to chime in john. i came back wonder if that was the friend you were talkin about...anyhow...

**** those stupid pics they have everywhere. its not the whole army is a bunch of stupid ass MPs in ONE UNIT. ONE UNIT. its not widespread, its one unit. and it sucks. and they are a bunch of National Gaurd (part time) soldiers to ******* boot. however, they are a reflection regardless on the whole Army and it is sad. Like ive said before, the army is just a small sample of the united states, and youre gonna get bad apples.

but as to this video, it is ridiculous. you think i could care less about any of those iraqis doing s*** like that? thats why we all laugh when we get our briefings about the rules of engagement and dont do this and dont do that. they even have a pay scale set up for prisoners of war. but guess who are the only countries that follow the geneva conventions? the countries that signed the paperwork of course. you think the iraqis follow the geneva conventions? if you want to see my ROE (rules of engagement) card from teh war ill scan it to show you what every soldier is given.

i like how the only people attempting to justify this bulls*** are of course the people from the country who has less than like 100 soldiers deployed and have no idea of any idea of anything regarding war, let alone this one.

so what if they dont want us there, that gives them the right to behead or whatever to innocent cilivians? maybe i dont want canadians in the united states. does that mean if i beheaded your brother nike that you would be like "(shrug) well they didnt really want us there but we were anyway" :rolleyes:

im so sick of this war was stupid and pointless and we shouldnt even be there comments. you werent there if you made those comments. you didnt see the poverty level that saddam had his people living in, you didnt hear the stories from the villagers of 36 of the village's children dying in bombs from saddams own army, stories from the people about how their friends would simply "disappear", you didnt see the the gold plated doors, the gold plated desks, the gold plated floors, the gold plated toliets (or running water at all) in saddams palaces while his people s*** in the corners of their houses and scooped it up and threw it accross the street when it got full. you didnt see people getting refused medical treatment because the hospitals money went to saddam. you didnt see the smiles on the peoples faces when we came to "liberate" them. you didnt see the smiles on the peoples faces when we stopped and gave them food because they had none. you didnt see any of that, because you were sitting at home, on your couch, and saying "wow, that sucks. pass me a beer." most of the children never had chocolate. or bubble gum. or fresh water, or running water. most had never seen a camera, or owned a watch. a lot never owned a pair of shoes, and walked around everywhere barefoot.

yet people against the war speak as if this stuff never happened. like america said **** it, theyre living large, but lets go in and get their oil and riches. yea, yeeha! look at gas prices now! good thing we invaded! damn those people are driving beemers and lexes but **** it well make something up so it looks like were heros. **** that. you werent there, as ive said so many times i feel like a broken record. you cant imagine, you never will be able to imagine, and i hope like hell you never have to experience. everything you cherish or take for granted in life, 95 percent chance those people NEVER even experienced or owned, or whatnot.

yea, the bad ass media including the stupid ass newspapers and tv shows and moron reporters tell you about the riots or the aggression. ok were talking about isolated incidents in a country of how many people? but bad news is money making news, and the media and your country with its isolationist policy will be glad to feed you all the bulls*** your little heart desires, twist all the news stories around just to fit what you want. which is a reason NOT to go to war and help out. why not go? because people are dying everyday. but more people were dying everyday long before we got there, in the thousands from hunger, murder, and other things related to saddams regime.

again, you werent there. not once did any civilian show any hostillity towards us. they begged us to let them make tea for us, tried to give US food in many cases when we were running low because they would rather go hungry than see us leave. but let the media tell you what it was like over there. dont formulate your own opinion. tell us how ****** up this war was, after all, you have all the experience in the world. why not teach us a class on this country and the war, since people seem to know it all that never stepped foot outside their country let alone their hemisphere.

please tell us. tell me. because im interested to hear it.
 
what we need to keep in mind is that the people who were the perps in the video are foreign fighters. they do not represent the people of iraq, just like how the few bad apples so far in the whole prison abuse thing do not represent the whole US armed forces. communal punishment from either side is not the right way to go about it.
 
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AutoBox said:
thats pretty sad.....i wonder if the quote about offering a prisoner trade is true.....its relaly unbeliveable about this s***


The united states goverment does NOT negotiate with terrorists. Once you let them know what hurts they will keep manipulating it at their will.

Very sad.
 
The Bowler said:
The united states goverment does NOT negotiate with terrorists. Once you let them know what hurts they will keep manipulating it at their will.

Very sad.
(werd)
 
Matthew said:
yet people against the war speak as if this stuff never happened. like america said **** it, theyre living large, but lets go in and get their oil and riches. yea, yeeha! look at gas prices now! good thing we invaded! damn those people are driving beemers and lexes but **** it well make something up so it looks like were heros. **** that. you werent there, as ive said so many times i feel like a broken record. you cant imagine, you never will be able to imagine, and i hope like hell you never have to experience. everything you cherish or take for granted in life, 95 percent chance those people NEVER even experienced or owned, or whatnot.
Actually I'm against this war because the president that wasn't elected said it was about WOMD, which didn't exist and renamed it "iraqi freedom". This was after he tried to make up associations between saddam and osama which never existed. I have no problem with the intent initially I just don't appreciate being mislead or flat out lied to. I'm not against the war because the over simplified view you suggested above. We pretty much forced our will upon every other nation in NATO which our actions made them irrelevant which was a brutal catch 22.

As for my support it lies 100% with our troops and I agree with you about these few horrible instances where abuse occurred. It's not the us military as whole but someone in power should be held responsible.

And for those of you crying "it's not fair" that we practice the ROE and geneva convention but our opponents do not... it isn't. But do you want to stand behind a military that uses children as soldiers or hold people for randsome? Probably not.
 
im not crying about roe im just stating the facts about it.

sounds to me like youre not against the war but rather against the president.
 
<~~~against the president also. Heathen makes a great point. The Bush camp makes every attempt to distract Americans from what is real. This "war" should be our ONLY priority right now. The economy can wait, gay marriage can wait, space exploration can wait, the friggin' election can wait....These aren't issues that Americans care about. We care about our troops fighting for their country when their country is being lead by an idiot.

Here is how I think we can fix EVERYTHING that ails our politically system. Every elected official from state government to president that is elected will get $1 million for their term in office. At the end of their term a public vote is held and it is mandatory that EVERYONE vote (non-voters get jail time). The people are asked did this person do a good job, yes or no. If they are voted YES then their salary will increase to $2M. If NO then they will be publicaly executed.

This does two things: #1. With rules like this in place only people who are SERIOUS about their job will run for office. and #2. We would be paying less to these politicians who make multiple millions of dollars and a million dollar salary is very easy to live off...

After a while you will be left with the best of the best...dedicated officials who are working for you.
 
Sain't said:
watch the video SNIKE - tell me if you still can't blame them for doing what they did.
www.ogrish.com
Why are you so one sided. I never said don't blame them all I'm saying is that they are going through the same thing. Have you bothered to look at how many Iraqis have died compared to Americans. Its like 10 to 1. Don't only think about the solidiars but also the others that are dieing. Have you blamed yourself or America for all the civilians that the army has killed, I doubt it. It only makes sense that they would retaliate.
 
SNike05 said:
Why are you so one sided. I never said don't blame them all I'm saying is that they are going through the same thing. Have you bothered to look at how many Iraqis have died compared to Americans. Its like 10 to 1. Don't only think about the solidiars but also the others that are dieing. Have you blamed yourself or America for all the civilians that the army has killed, I doubt it. It only makes sense that they would retaliate.
i guess you COMPLETELY ignored the post i took time to write. some people are so thick headed, its unreal.

are we just counting the 10 to 1 during the war? what if we incorporate the mass murders, dissappearences, genocide and other situations by saddam then its like 1 to 10 isnt it? or dont you know because you just believe everything your liberal media tells you?

also, ******* OF COURSE we have killed more of them, we won the ******* war einstein (hand) pretty hard to win and have 10 times more casualties than the other side.

also back up your claims with statistics. pulling numbers out of your ass means nothing in debates.
 
think about it this way guys.. ill put it in terms u can understand.. friends.. people on the board.. that u guys know are going there or have been there.. or may go there..
matthew (matthew) , steve(rodscalip5), mike (ghost) are the ones i think of off hand.. and i worry about them.. they are more than people i shoot s*** with on the forum.. they are friends.. steve is over there now.. its nice we get to see posts from him on here to know its ok. but lets look at the real pictureif something happened to him.. how would any of us find out? we proly wouldnt. i doubt his family would come here and post to let us know..
i had one friend get shot and come back home.. i had a second friend that just called me at 5:30 am to tell me he was in sandiego and would be back home for good..
now this may sound harsh. But i care about these people.. and right now. .they are my main concern..
it sucks that the iraqi people (the ones not shooting us, the ones that wanted us there, the ones that saddam oppressed) but u would think by now.. most of them would have left.. i know if i was innocent and didnt want to pick up a gun and fight. and my country had reached that point.. i for damn sure would leave.
the people in the pics were soilders... iraqi soilders that have killed our men. im sorry. if i was there and i captured their soilders and i felt i could do it with out getting courtmarshalled i would put a bullet in the back of each of their heads.. its war. soilders die, s*** happens. these iraqis however are killing civilians and posting it on the web..
point of advice.. if you go to iraq and are about to get caught. do your self a favor and save the last bullet for your brain. dont let them use u are a bargining tool and do not let them put u on the news or the web like that for your family to see. its not worth it.
war is war.. its when our soilders start cutting heads off their citizens that we can talk. -=P
 
Yeh you wrote a long thread what that makes you knowlegable. How about you go back and read from the start and see where the discussion took off. I know whats happening. I'm not blaming any side all I was saying is that they are feeling the same thing we are maybe more, thats all. Why would I argue with anybody, this is a very sensitive topic, especially you off course you will be for US your in the friggin army. I'm trying to stay neutral on this topic and see it from all sides rather then change peoples mind. I just find that you try to impose your opinion on everybody and if they don't accept it they know nothing.
 
hahahaha.. politics and war.

flame on!

it's all stupid.. the US had no business there in the first place, but now that you're there, you can't back out... sucks big balls.
i would never wish harm on a soldier, of either side.. they are both right in their own aspects... you want to deal with a REAL issue, try dealing with Paletinians and Isrealis.. that's something even the US won't touch! - too many warlords, too much history behind that war.

i wish that all american troops come home safe... but that ain't gonna happen.. it's just going to keep getting worse.. all you can hope is that the monkey in the oval office does pull out the troops by the end of June and that it doesn't end up being Vietnam again.
 
SNike05 said:
You guys should really put yourself in there shoes. Americans are not wanted there, there is no reason for Americans to be there. Fine they did what they had to do, remove Saddam from power, for whatever reason why are they still there. There is absolutely no benefit to be there. Billions of dollars are being wasted and people are dieing on both sides. Thats just how I see it. Don't start something that you can't finish.
Either way man this is wrong. As a muslim, I am outraged. It absolutely hurts all of us because now what some twisted ***** have done will put a bad rep on all of us muslims.

No where does it say in the Quran (our bible) to kill people. I agree with you all that those barbarians should be brought to justice the same way they took that poor guy's life.
 
and i find it funny how past issues are brought to light as reasons to explain current actions.....i dont like this "war".....a war with no point or reason IMHO.....all i can do is wish the best for the people we have over there and pray bush is kicked out.....this issue isnt something to debate about......you guys cant tread lightly through it ...most of u are runnin over the topic and makin ur opinions know like you are the president.....i say you do what u will about the loses we are facing and thats that......this topic is already ugly as it is
 
those sick motherf***ers i hope someone actually finds them and has sex with there mothers and then decapitates their mothers and skull fu**ks them to death that was some sad and horrible stuff, forgive my emotion i don't even support the war but that was wrong and maybe instead of liberating people in iraq we should concentrate our whole military to finding those guys
 

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