So you're a rocket scientist and you're driving around a mazda??? Hmm... I think you need to renegotiate!! Anywayz... I thought at first it was a placebo effect as well, but you sound like you genuinely can feel a difference... I'm not sure if I'd be willing to drop a couple hundred just to see if it truly does... afterall, I doubt Injen just takes this stuff back! One question I do have is... did you have it installed or did you do it yourself? If you had it installed, how much did it cost?
Injen is awesome
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Speedplease
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I just bought the injen cai for my car but i havent put it on yet cause i just got yesterday but anyway about the performance aspect the mechanic from my dealer told me that it will make a huge improvement in my car. But i wont know until i put it on just my 2cents will post when it goes on!
OMG, there is actually a dealer out there that condoned a MOD... hell hath just frozen over...Chico:
1) Currently an underemployed rocket scientist doing CAD to pay the bills until I can find a proper job. Either way the car kicks!
2) I just installed it myself; it was my first ever mod to any car I've owned. If you can read directions, and know what's what under the hood, then you'll have no problems.
3) I'm autocrossing this weekend in Bristol at Chippins hill. If you want to feel the difference we can meet there or arrange something else. Let me know.
1) Currently an underemployed rocket scientist doing CAD to pay the bills until I can find a proper job. Either way the car kicks!
2) I just installed it myself; it was my first ever mod to any car I've owned. If you can read directions, and know what's what under the hood, then you'll have no problems.
3) I'm autocrossing this weekend in Bristol at Chippins hill. If you want to feel the difference we can meet there or arrange something else. Let me know.
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MazdaDryvr
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ION - whats this hard pipe kit of which you speak?
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MazdaDryvr - our hard-pipe kit allows you to upgrade to our FMIC (either stage 1 or 2) later on. It replaces the MAF->Turbo plastic pipe, the turbo-> I/C, and I/C -> throttle body. The BPV is also relocated as well so it'll operate better.
TampaBlackMSP
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For now, the Injen serves me just fine. I DO notice an improvement in performance, hands down.
I'm sure ION's stuff is great, but until I have a bazillion dollars just lying around, I've gotta hold off on their stuff...I know you get what you pay for....but anyway, let's be honest. ION is going to push ION's stuff, regardless of whether it appears that they are 'informing' us about our cars (no problem with that - can you say capitalism?!)
However, why use the MSP forum all the time to sell your stuff?? We know how to navigate through other more appropriate forums.
Oh well, who cares....I'm rambling. Not trying to flame!! I'll shut up now.
I'm sure ION's stuff is great, but until I have a bazillion dollars just lying around, I've gotta hold off on their stuff...I know you get what you pay for....but anyway, let's be honest. ION is going to push ION's stuff, regardless of whether it appears that they are 'informing' us about our cars (no problem with that - can you say capitalism?!)
However, why use the MSP forum all the time to sell your stuff?? We know how to navigate through other more appropriate forums.
Oh well, who cares....I'm rambling. Not trying to flame!! I'll shut up now.
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TampaBlackMSP - actually if you take a look closer, our products offer probably the biggest bang for the buck. How many other hard-pipe kits will allow you to upgrade to a FMIC set-up without putting the parts to waste?
Also, in regards to the intake, it's based on pure experience we've had on the dyno and on the track & road courses. We do have the title of the highest power 2L Subaru in the UK putting over 450whp to the ground through 4 wheels
The reason why as mentioned above that the Injen isn't all it's cracked up to be is b/c you'll get some gains in driveability with just changing over to a higher capacity filter. Where the Injen fails is that it draws air from a stagnate air source. Without any positive air movement, it's just sucking up stale air which is a little cooler then the air available in the engine bay. This is the reason why the K&N panel filter is more attractive.
Also, in regards to the intake, it's based on pure experience we've had on the dyno and on the track & road courses. We do have the title of the highest power 2L Subaru in the UK putting over 450whp to the ground through 4 wheels
The reason why as mentioned above that the Injen isn't all it's cracked up to be is b/c you'll get some gains in driveability with just changing over to a higher capacity filter. Where the Injen fails is that it draws air from a stagnate air source. Without any positive air movement, it's just sucking up stale air which is a little cooler then the air available in the engine bay. This is the reason why the K&N panel filter is more attractive.
If you say so...but it doesn't make any sense to me in that regard. That area isn't water tight, much less air tight. Granted there is probably a lower freestream velocity, but I don't think it's by enough to make it unfeasible or less efficient. That little restrictive callaway bend on the stock box isn't exactly ramming air into the intake, seeing as it's perpendicular to the freestream flow of air as the car moves forward. Then any possible gains are gonna be lost in that maze of piping.
Anywho...I made my decision, so it's all academic for me at this point. All that I can say is that there is a really noticable difference and that I'm happy with the product.
Anywho...I made my decision, so it's all academic for me at this point.
All that I can say is that there is a really noticable difference and that I'm happy with the product.iON Performance
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servoeyes - on a turbo car, air velocity in the intake stack isn't the key to making power. It's the compressor's ability to suck in air.
If you add a spacer to your fog light to bring it out a bit (or even remove the light) that will help bring in fresh air. This will at least allow the compressor to ingest colder air as a "CAI" would suggest.
If you add a spacer to your fog light to bring it out a bit (or even remove the light) that will help bring in fresh air. This will at least allow the compressor to ingest colder air as a "CAI" would suggest.
So...this is how I understand what you said. The intake is sucking air from the well. This creates a pressure differential between the well and all surrounding areas, so air higher pressure air will move into the well to compensate. Obviusly it's not a segmented process as I've put forth, but the gist of it is that during tat process, since the high temp air will be higher pressure, and seep in through the tight space between the pipe and chassis. If however we make it easier to keep colder air in the air and provide a constant flow to equilibrate pressure than the hot air will not creep into this air so readily.
That's what you're saying, right? I still like the odds in this situation better than the panel filter, but at least I think I understand where you're coming from now!
That's what you're saying, right? I still like the odds in this situation better than the panel filter, but at least I think I understand where you're coming from now!
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servoeyes - you're very close in reasoning now. However the reason why on the average the panel filter w/ stock box + hard-pipe kit is better is due to the fact that many places encounter either heavy rain or snow. Being that the panel filter sits in the stock box, it's less likely to ingest these things (when the fog light is removed or spaced out). It also provides more off-boost torque due to the inherant "resevoir" design.
To improve your Injen's functionality, you'll need to keep a constant flow of the colder air.
To improve your Injen's functionality, you'll need to keep a constant flow of the colder air.
YellowSpeed17
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Ion-Is your hard-pipe kit available yet? If so, how much is it and what kind of hp gains are expected if any?
Gotcha now! i didn't realize you meant a panel with hard pipe replacement of the stock crap pipes. The only problem I have with the set-up you just described is that damn squirrels and chipmunks try to get all up into that stock box and it's always full of leaves (even in the summer!) I'm gonna have to watch out for big puddles etc if I offset that foglight, but I expected as much. Thanks for the insight!
Hey, thanx steph, it is good to be back. Not really, Hawaii is so much nicer then it is here, but oh well. Anyways... I think that the injen intake gave huge power gains to my car. It is Dyno tested, and not all that expensive. I say if you are interested, then buy it, if you hate it, then dont. I am sure that many of your minds are made up already if you want to get it or not. My honest opinion, is that it sounds awesome, feels more powerful, and looks oh so cool.
haha.... I'm confuse with what that guy say and the install manu said..... the install manu from Injen said that we have to disconnect the ECU.. but now they said the others..... haha funny.... but anyway... I follow the instruction. and I know people in the car shop... they won't disconnect the ECU too .... hehe.... Anyway... the intake is good... I really love it too
ION- Got pricing on your hard pipe kit? If its similar in price to the injen intake, i might be very interested in going for it.. the intercooler piping sucks, the piping from the airbox to the turbo sucks, and well, in general, the piping sucks. Id rather slap on this than just intake... depending on the cost.. Also.. if i bought this.. does it reduce the price of the FMIC if i decided to do that later?
Thanks..
Thanks..
