I just test drove a Spec V....

[<mazdamp3_18>]

I went and test drove the Nissan Spec V today to see if it was any better than our cars. To be frank the spec v sucks. the tansmission is crap and our cars seem to have better low end power and it didnt seem to be much faster than our cars. i am happy i didnt wait to get the spec v. our cars handle a lot better than that too. But the dealership was probably one of the best dealerships ive ever gone to. i said that i was going to test drive all the competitors for the MP3 and they said they would get a hold of any car i wanted to test drive and if i liked the car i drove they would get one ordered for me. anyways all in all our cars are tons better than the spec v. and the seats what the hell were they thinking. they make me feel like im going to be going to a basketball game.

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[APEXistud]

I just got a release notification for the Spec V from Nissan. Looks like I'll get a free duffle bag or something for test driving the spec v. I would honestly take the Spec V over my MP3 rather quickly due to the fact that aftermarket parts will probably come out for fairly quick.

Are you sure you test drove the Spec V hehe I think the Spec V will feel a lot faster than the MP3. It has almost 20lbs ft. of torque more than our MP3's so it should feel quicker in the low and mid range. But hey, you did drive one so I can't really say anything. I can't wait to test drive one.....

 

[<MP3X>]

On some other forum, some guys did a dyno on the spec v and it read it only had 141 HP. The specs say it has 175 HP

 

[<MP3X>]

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[OceanPark]

Since our MP3 only has 110hp after dyno, the Spec-V is still 30hp faster. And the car might not be breaking in yet.

Let's not talk about the numbers, but my brother has a Sentra SE/PP. Which is 145hp and 131lbs/ft. I notice his car is obliviously faster than mine. And I expected the Spec-V to perform even better.

The poor transmission feel is probably caused by the direct cable link design. Despite both ugly exterior and interior design, but Nissan make good cars.

 

[APEXistud]

Originally posted by <MP3X>:
<STRONG>On some other forum, some guys did a dyno on the spec v and it read it only had 141 HP. The specs say it has 175 HP</STRONG>

You refering to the Flywheel (175hp) and wheel horsepower (141hp). That always works out like that. Either way you look at the Spec V should be considerably faster than the MP3

 

[initialRES]

That is true about the HP thing but they have actually had really bad problems with that car making power. It was expected to lose power from the flywheel to the wheels but that car had really bad problems and lost alot more than expected. I have never seen that in writing so I am not sure about it but I have heard that. Everyone should go test drive one and see what the deal is.

 

[mazdamp3_18]

when i drove it i thought that our cars were overall 10x better, who cares if they are a little faster, i think intake and cams would take care of that. our cars are so much better designed and engineered, i think nissan ruined the status of the S-ER when they came out with the new one, i would take a 92 ser over a new one.

 

[tritonheat1]

just beacuse a car has 175hp doesn't mean that the 175hp engine is always gonna be faster than the car that has less hp. look at it this way civic Si 160hp 111Lbs-ft Mp3 140hp 142Lbs-ft. The Si has a 0.9 sec faster than the Mp3 to 60mph.
Scc Sentra SE-R Spec V 175hp
0-60mph 7.8sec
1/4mile 15.7sec

C&D Civic Si 160hp
0-60mph 7.3sec
1/4mile 15.6sec

C&D civic Si 140hp
0-60mph 8.2sec
1/4mile 16.3sec

Honestly the reason why the civic outrun both car to 60mph cause the gear ratio in power as the powerband comes in to sae@horsepower and the weight of the car

max curb weight:
civic Si 2619lbs
Protege MP3 2725lbs
Sentra SE-R Spev V 2749lbs

and no if your thinking cause the SI has vtec that not why it's part of it but not the main part so hp has nothing to do with the car being fast.

Sentra SE-R Spec V Protege MP3 Civic SI
175Lbs-ft 142Lbs-ft 111Lbs-ft

 

[APEXistud]

Originally posted by tritonheat1:
<STRONG>just beacuse a car has 175hp doesn't mean that the 175hp engine is always gonna be faster than the car that has less hp. look at it this way civic Si 160hp 111Lbs-ft Mp3 140hp 142Lbs-ft. The Si has a 0.9 sec faster than the Mp3 to 60mph.
Scc Sentra SE-R Spec V 175hp
0-60mph 7.8sec
1/4mile 15.7sec

C&D Civic Si 160hp
0-60mph 7.3sec
1/4mile 15.6sec

C&D civic Si 140hp
0-60mph 8.2sec
1/4mile 16.3sec

Honestly the reason why the civic outrun both car to 60mph cause the gear ratio in power as the powerband comes in to sae@horsepower and the weight of the car

max curb weight:
civic Si 2619lbs
Protege MP3 2725lbs
Sentra SE-R Spev V 2749lbs

and no if your thinking cause the SI has vtec that not why it's part of it but not the main part so hp has nothing to do with the car being fast.

Sentra SE-R Spec V Protege MP3 Civic SI
175Lbs-ft 142Lbs-ft 111Lbs-ft </STRONG>

I assumed most of us knew this. So I didn't feel the need to say anything about it. And 9 times out of 10, the car with more HP will almost always be faster and yes HP does have quite a bit to do with acceleration If you think about it, the weight of the car (assuming the HP are similar) probably plays a larger role in 0-60 and 1/4 mile times than gearing. Also take a look at how many gears you go through to get to 60...... take notice to how almost every car goes through 1st and 2nd. So the gear ratio concept isn't entirely true. It may not be a lot of difference, but just wanted to point that out. The gearing does improve a cars acceleration, but what it always comes back to is that without the HP, you're not gonna go anywhere.

And saying that HP has nothing to do with a car being fast is just as ludicrous as saying HP has nothing to do with top speed. And what's the deal with the SAE thingy? I'm sure we all know how to read HP numbers.

There are 2 sides to almost every story, please take both sides into consideration when trying to explain a concept or theory (that's not even yours). What it comes down to with the Spec V, MP3 and SI, is the price.....if the Spec V stays at it's MSRP, it will be a better buy of the 3. And it even comes with a Slip and 6-speed. More gears more fun But it doesn't come in yellow damnit :mad:

[ 12-10-2001: Message edited by: APEXistud ]

 

[APEXistud]

And I am in no way trying to say anything negative about a people not liking the Spec V. Hell Mazdamp3_18 test drove it and he didn't like it, that's cool.

But as far as Triton coming and posting the entire article from Car & Driver, I really dislike that. Come up with some of your own thoughts and conclusions and then post. If we wanna know what the mag says, we'll pick it up and read it ouselves. But please do not post info from an article and speak of it as you witnessed the tests first hand. That is real annoying

[ 12-10-2001: Message edited by: APEXistud ]

 

[tritonheat1]

hey apex, to the part where you said the car that has more hp will always be faster. I find that you are stuborn and always take advice as the car has 165-175hp to make it go fast. You need to jump out on the streets and street race some people before you start trying to tell people how this and that goes. As u said i get anoying when i bring out the mag article's well that's cause there's better drivers than u are to test the car and there the one who post thing's things, and i'm sure that going through many gears to get to that certain speed ain't a problem so try another excuse. Hp will take care of getting through your powerband and redline. i have raced civic Si's, eclipse's Gs, one Integra Type R, Nissan sentra's, honda Accord's, Jetta VR6. i've beaten all those cars many times except the ITR i beat it once cause i've only raced a ITR once, anyways. Ive got beat by a Dodge Stealth with nos and a 3000Gt Vr4. all against my 1994 Protege LX.

 

[Antoine]

Can't we all get along? lol....For those of you who receive SCC...you will recall they reported funky dyno results...at least in the pre-production versions their was major drivetrain loss (141hp at the wheel). Now some loss is expected but not that much! I have a feeling something is really not working together properly...tranny??? Something is sucking major power...its one thing if you have a sweet engine that makes great power.....but if your tranny (drivetrain) is inefficient than your not going to experience the true potential of the car...

Isn't that motor a 2.5L...that’s huge for a 4 cyl...and it makes great torque right? What’s the deal here....doesn't the Celica (180hp) do 0-60 in the 6's? The se-r spec v does 7.7 0-60 (automobile)...now granted the spec v is a bit heavier...its not enough to add another second to the 0-60...I thought it would be low 7’s…maybe 6.9

 

[APEXistud]

Originally posted by tritonheat1:
<STRONG>hey apex, to the part where you said the car that has more hp will always be faster. I find that you are stuborn and always take advice as the car has 165-175hp to make it go fast. You need to jump out on the streets and street race some people before you start trying to tell people how this and that goes. As u said i get anoying when i bring out the mag article's well that's cause there's better drivers than u are to test the car and there the one who post thing's things, and i'm sure that going through many gears to get to that certain speed ain't a problem so try another excuse. Hp will take care of getting through your powerband and redline. i have raced civic Si's, eclipse's Gs, one Integra Type R, Nissan sentra's, honda Accord's, Jetta VR6. i've beaten all those cars many times except the ITR i beat it once cause i've only raced a ITR once, anyways. Ive got beat by a Dodge Stealth with nos and a 3000Gt Vr4. all against my 1994 Protege LX.</STRONG>

Here you go Triton.....you've earned it.

And do realize I frequent the street races and I know what going on out there. Maybe you should come down to my area and try to race. I highly doubt you beat a ITR. Was he racing you.. I'm willing to bet that the Civic EX's with bolt ons will give my MP3 a good run for it's money. I can honestly say that my old 97 EX with all it's mods on it was a little bit faster than my MP3.

[ 12-12-2001: Message edited by: APEXistud ]

 

[tritonheat1]

yo Apexistud your the assclown cause you know you got clount and bring your little sorry ass friends from san jose cause i bet for a second they wont race for slips anyway i'll toast you to the ground and run all over your wannabe fagat friends and cars like white on rice. bakersfield, san diego, fresno you name it you want some come get some and bring your 97 Ex slowic. you really wanna get in to it then well on the board you seem really tough u can talk to talk well let's put slips to slips.

 

[kep0ne]

rofl...someone close this thread before someone else makes a fool of themselves. racing for slips...HAH. this isnt the fast and the furious. take this s*** elsewhere.

 

[OceanPark]

Mr.tritonheat1, stop being childish, Grow up! I am tired of seeing you to post how you kill the TypeR with you little 94 Protege LX again.

 

[APEXistud]

Originally posted by kep0:
<STRONG>rofl...someone close this thread before someone else makes a fool of themselves. racing for slips...HAH. this isnt the fast and the furious. take this s*** elsewhere.</STRONG>

Consider it done...Beating a Type R in an MP3 Must be some powerful stuff Triton's smokin.

Sorry Mazdamp3_18, but if I decide to close this topic in the near future, it will not be out of disrespect towards you man. Feel free to post away, gotta say waddup to my old michigan peeps.

 

[DooMer_MP3]

Triton, you got the assclown award only because you deserve it. I may not be able to beat an ITR or know much about cars (yet), but I do understand remedial physics. Lets put this horsepower/topspeed debate in REALLY simple terms.

If a car has 140 horsepower, it has the power of 140 horses moving it (which was coined many years ago to be 33000 foot pounds of work per minute - a horse lifting 330 pounds of weight 100 feet in a minute). So take a really simple approach to horsepower and pretend you have 140 horses pulling your car at maximum efficiency. You are at your vehicles top speed because they are pulling as hard as they can... No more, no less! Now say you add another horse, what the hell do you think is going to happen? From your reasoning you seem to think that the vehicle will not go any faster... Obviously if the original and additional horses pull at their maximum efficiency, they will increase the top speed.

Is physics on vacation or something!? I don't understand your reasoning, nor does anybody here which has more clue than I (hint hint)...

DooMer_MP3

 

[Kooldino]

Speaking of the Spec V...my friend just got one and took me for a ride in it last night. I'll give it a few things...I liked the sunroof...and it definitely feels more solid than our car. As if it's put together better. It also was faster, but I don't think by much. My friend said that 0-60 was 6.2 seconds, but I think he was confused...taht's faster than a WRX. Definitely a good car, but I'm not big on it's looks and I like my MP3 better overall. The MP3 beat it in shoot-outs in magazines like Road and Driver, and I see why. The mp3 is just nicer overall, whereas he Spec V just has more balls.