Hungry for the Dyno Sheet?

[mp3moose]

Thanks....hey moose you comming to the open house?

Oh man, I wish....in Houston for the summer, but you better believe when I get back to school that I am definately making a trip your way=)

 

[JDM Sam]

IMO that HP # sounds low for a mp3 with bigger turbo @ 10psi on race gas.....especially for the amount of stuff on it.....

 

[spoolinmp3]

IMO that HP # sounds low for a mp3 with bigger turbo @ 10psi on race gas.....especially for the amount of stuff on it.....

Its currently the highest HP daily driven MP3 in the planet. We could have squezed maybe another 10-15hp but we rather be safe than sorry

And most turbo mp3 running turbo kits run in the 180whp range. So those numbers are very high.
A good turbo system with good flow and volumetric efficiency will put out 10hp per psi.
A stock MP3 puts out about 109whp. That puts us at 13.1hp per psi. And thats damn good

 

[dominoy2k1]

can i take your car for a spin?.......

 

[dominoy2k1]

off topic but one of our s2k kits hit the rollers last week at 11psi on race gas and put down 342whp
Thats on a 2.0 liter stock motor

can i have the s2k?......

 

[JDM Sam]

haha thats pretty lame for rating the mp3 140 hp then. it makes as much hp as a 98 626 does! 15% drivetrain loss added back to the 109-110whp is about 125 flywheel hp the 626 4 cyl has. i always wondered how they got 10-15 hp more outta the same engine i had in my turd slow 626. its the same engine too! mazdas been lying bout engine hp ratings just like the miata! bad mazda no cookie!

 

[JDM Sam]

got a question any of yall ever run 98 up 626 PCMS?? they made the 4 cyl 626 in 5 spd. so its basically same as the protege 2.0. engine wonder how the fuel maps compare. i have a spare 626 pcm but its from an auto.

 

[laptopheaven]

Nice peak...but what about everywhere else...its not the top of the graph that matters, but everything underneath the graph...
the torque...not so hot...got find a way to fix that...my $0.02....

 

[boostisgood]

Correct me if Im wrong, and im gonna shoot myself in the foot here also, but isnt SAE corrected dyno sheets, the crank HP ? not the whp?

IF that is true, then this IS the flywheel hp not WHP. doh.

 

[TURBO3WAGON]

YES!!!!!!!!!!! GOOD MAN! I LIKE IT, I WANT IT. My question is do you still have the stumble?

 

[laptopheaven]

Correct me if Im wrong, and im gonna shoot myself in the foot here also, but isnt SAE corrected dyno sheets, the crank HP ? not the whp?

IF that is true, then this IS the flywheel hp not WHP. doh.

SAE is the american standard.
bhp (brake horsepower) is the horsepower of the engine.

 

[boostisgood]

I know the BHP is the engine hp, But I was always under the impression that SAE CORRECTED, was BHP, with the CORRECTED part being the adjective to BHP.

 

[vmoose22]

transmission

If the spoolin kit, once fully produced with exhuast intake and bigger turbo, actually does produce a lot more whp than this setup, wouldn't it be presing the limit of the stock transmission?

 

[funnylittlman]

Look at that dip at around 3.5K and at 5.5K

IS this the fuel map issue? B/C that sure as hell doesn't look normal.. a total dip to 0? :wtf:

BTW, congrats on a great job xsivspd

 

[bcbadboy]

I want to know what happened to the torque on the second run?

 

[Kooldino]

Do you know what spoolin?
You have no logic.
Why is it that you put down others work, then gloriously (if thats a word) advertise your pieces still in production.
This is because you have been selling a spoolin kit for the MSP that will now not sell.
It sells for $2995 USD + installation that will produce and I quotefrom your website:
"Expect to run an estimated 210-220whp"
Where as graphed in the my initial dyno made 207 and 223 WHP by the addtion of simple mods of exhaust, intake, and a boost bump.
All this for $1600 Canadian.
I wish you all the best in selling your products.

(lol) Oooooh, man. Gotta love the n00b attitude.

Spoolin has done 100x for the protege community what you have, xsivspd. Don't talk to him like he's just some chump. He knows your car better than you ever will. Have respect for fellow forum members, especially the ones who deserve it.

 

[Kooldino]

Its currently the highest HP daily driven MP3 in the planet. We could have squezed maybe another 10-15hp but we rather be safe than sorry

And most turbo mp3 running turbo kits run in the 180whp range. So those numbers are very high.
A good turbo system with good flow and volumetric efficiency will put out 10hp per psi.
A stock MP3 puts out about 109whp. That puts us at 13.1hp per psi. And thats damn good

Agreed. Let's do some quick math...

180 (turboed mp3 w/ exhaust) - 109 (stock mp3) = 71WHP.

Now let's think about this logically...People are claiming that a STOCK MSP with an AIR FILTER (which a turbo mp3 has), an EXHAUST (which a turbo mp3 has) and 2psi above stock makes MORE of a difference over a STOCK MSP Then an MP3 with an ENTIRE TURBO KIT (including a bigger/better FMIC and turbo) w/ intake and exhuast makes over a STOCK MP3. Come on now! :bs:

 

[REMillers]

Impressive indeed, and don't mind the questioning cause it is warrented. A HP increase of that much in well amazing...

SAE Corrected defination:SAE is the Society of Automotive Engineers (more on the problem with this later).
The Corrected part of the SAE comes from setting a "standard" enviromental conditions of which the car is being run under. Heance the data is being "Corrected"

Now the problem arise is there are many different SAE standards out there, each with their own picture of a "standard enviroment".
Example-SAE J1349 runs under the "Standard" of
-Atmos pressure 29.23 in/hg
-Temp 77 F
-Humidity zero
It measures those factors in real world, then runs forumales againts the "standard" and comes out with said HP/TQ numbers.

Now the problem come into play comparing dyno graphs againts different SAE standards. Some use a higher temp compared to another one which will of course result in different numbers.

Hope this clears it up somewhat.

btw ask the shop what standard they were using on their computer.

 

[Kooldino]

Good post, REMillers.

 

[Logan]

Re: transmission

If the spoolin kit, once fully produced with exhuast intake and bigger turbo, actually does produce a lot more whp than this setup, wouldn't it be presing the limit of the stock transmission?

There is another thread on this board that one of the speed WC guys participated in.
I asked him about the transmission:
The speed WC cars make 240HP, their transmission use stronger gears, but factory gear ratios. They run factory synchromeshes.
They rebuild the transmission after every few races to replace the synchro's because they can't take the abuse.
I'm sure if the gears weren't stronger, they would also have a short life.