Hungry for the Dyno Sheet?

[xsivspd]

Hungry for the Dyno Sheet? ` 77WHP

The following are of two pulls posted.
If anyone has a problem with calibration of the unit speak to Dynopower Services yourselves the number is there, they make it a ritual to be dead on.
As you can see the MSP runs way over 10 pig fuel rich!
The fuel must be corrected, and leaned out.
Also look at the graph what is occuring around 4500 RPM, the infamous open/closed loop.
I can just hear you all now "he did not have a baseline, the dyno is out of spec, the dyno is rigged, the picture is photochoped...." it will go on and on.
Anyone who doesn't believe is more than welcome for a drive, I have let many people at the mazda meets actually drive my car to let them decide no questions asked.
So please, the proof is here and the numbers will only become better.
Thankyou.

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[nattyboy513]

that makes me very happy

 

[ARunto]

looks good...nice #'s (2thumbs)

-Alan

 

[yashooa]

Woot! Dare it is.

ALL RIGHTY THEN!
Joey where is you man?
Thanks for the dyno sheet ho.
Magnus (or something similar) here I come.
I can almost smell the high 13's from here.
Now quick someone tell me that smell is just the stink of BS.
Come on I know someone wants to flame.
Jecky Ju Jo Ja? You are certainly on of the board's most famous flamers get in here and pipe up.

(flame2)

 

[Striker187]

impressive....what exactly were you running on your car when you made the runs?

 

[boostisgood]

(attn) FEAR THE T-25 (bird) (bowdown)before the mighty (mspo)


Yeah the MSP guys alkin shitski again j/k Good numbers, and please this post is all in jest everyone. Lets congradulate xsivspd
(drinks)

 

[1sty]

impressive....what exactly were you running on your car when you made the runs?

The magic question.

 

[xsivspd]

Please refer to my signature to find out what car is/was running with.

 

[perfworks]

FOR ANY ONE WHO DID NOT READ IT ON THE OTHER THREAD

God i cant believe im actually going to post this here with all this tension , but here it goes.

**climbs into saddams bunker***

First of all whoever would like to listen fine, whoever doesnt ,please dont flame this is my opinion substantiated by some relevant design theory.
Every engine in the world is designed with a certain potential power level that it can produce. This being said , value X HP and torque is produced on a stand. No restrictions , in a controlled envirement and so on and so on. I think i am speaking to people with some common sense so i dont have to go any deeper with that.
When an engine is installed on the car of choice many modifications to the intake , exhaust, restraint and drivetrain have restricted a certain amout of power that can be delivered to the wheels.
what im saying is simple, the engine is allready able to put out XXX HP . You are NOT CREATING more unless you change the variables used to make a more efficient combustion process.Cooler ambient air, a more strictly controlled pressurized manifold air charge , higher flow capacity exhaust, ETC.
Now IMO i think it is possible (percentage wise) to get that additional HP. BUT ITS TOUGH. Now you all need to understand that once you change the diameter of a downpipe from the original turbo (DOESNT MATTER IF ITS A T25), you are increasing the pressure differential in the exhaust system. That pressure diff. is what spools up a turbo FASTER. How does it do that you ask? well for those who dont know when you increase the downpipe diameter you are increasing the flow capacity of the system. You are creating a larger negative pressure after the the turbine wheel which will induce the exhaust gas to the larger (more negative) side faster to balance the system. Velocity will slow slightly but the additional force at the higher RPM will allow it move much more efficiently.
Now by increasing spoolin efficiency and and decreasing "lag time" your boost pressure will allow for a more dense mixture earlier in the rpm band. That is where you want it because your cam profile can use it and put it to work. Once you have generated enough torque down low, it is just a matter of maintaining it.AHHH the job of Horsepower comes in now. Add the the larger capacity exhaust and free flowing intake, rich mixture at higher rpm, constant boost against the valves across the entire rpm range and there you have it!!
It is much easier to make the power the engine was designed to put out once the (airpump) engine can breathe.Especially on the top end of the rpm band

In closing, i am not sure whether or not this or any mod that he has done has allowed this HP potential. But i am sure that it is possible.
Its amazing what forced induction can do to volumetric efficiency for the engine when it is allowed to proccess the air it is given

 

[trekv2]

i am confused where on the magnus w/ site where is the MSP turbo back kit all i see it the cat back for a MP3?
damn i like the looks of that sheet.

 

[spoolinmp3]

Well I am a bit skeptical because its not logical. But if everyone knows we manufacture parts and have a FMIC, Downpipe, 3inc exhaust and intake in the works. We will bolt this up on a car soon and see what we get. If this is true I will be a very happy man
Congrats on the dyno and I hope that its not a mistake and actual real numbers.....1 great triumph for the Protege community

 

[xsivspd]

Do you know what spoolin?
You have no logic.
Why is it that you put down others work, then gloriously (if thats a word) advertise your pieces still in production.
This is because you have been selling a spoolin kit for the MSP that will now not sell.
It sells for $2995 USD + installation that will produce and I quotefrom your website:
"Expect to run an estimated 210-220whp"
Where as graphed in the my initial dyno made 207 and 223 WHP by the addtion of simple mods of exhaust, intake, and a boost bump.
All this for $1600 Canadian.
I wish you all the best in selling your products.

 

[JDM Sam]

hey xsivspd you got a sound clip of the exhaust??? i wanna hear how it sounds

 

[spoolinmp3]

Do you know what spoolin?

You have no logic.

(scratch)
Uhhh ok there buddy

Why is it that you put down others work, then gloriously (if thats a word) advertise your pieces still in production.

Well what do you think will make more power? A t28 or al full blown t/t4 race spec manifold and a real FMIC or a virtuially stock MSP with intake, exhaust and 2psi.....hmmmm that one is real hard aint it
Did we dyno this?No...
So I cannot compare dyno sheets, however considering if I used an overly optimistic dyno I probably will get +150whp

We will like I stated be producing the above mentioned products and test the mods on the car one by one and all together.....but before that we will get a baseline.....to get results.

Why is it that you put down others work

Didnt I just congradulate you?

There is no need for negativity here.

If the car can produce these numbers wiyh these minimal mods then Imagine what it could do with a full blown turbo upgrade kit like ours??.....it will obviously surpass your HP#s by far. Will this make us sell more kits yes.....so why is that a bad thing?
Thats why I stated I wishfully hoped that your numbers were good. And the reason I am so skeptical is because I have alot....and I mean alot of dyno time on these cars. Anyone can tell you that. I do this for a living and Protege's are my speciality. So I have the right to be suspicious......does this mean I am calling you a liar??No so just chill out man

 

[mp3moose]

Woah man, go a little easier on good-ole Terry. He has been here a long time and pretty much lead the way for what little aftermarket we have. I think he was quite receptive in response to this. That said, good work on the numbers!

 

[mp3moose]

Damn, he beat me to it =)

 

[spoolinmp3]

Woah man, go a little easier on good-ole Terry. He has been here a long time and pretty much lead the way for what little aftermarket we have. I think he was quite receptive in response to this. That said, good work on the numbers!

Thanks....hey moose you comming to the open house?

 

[1sty]

I don't believe the numbers and until I see your car put up against a properly baselined car with similair mods I will not be satesfied.

Doesn't mean thats not what the dyno spit out, doesnt mean thats not acurate but there is more to this story.

If I am wrong then I will be buying an MSP the day you prove it.

Becuase someone doesn't believe your results doesn't mean there calling you a lyer. It means you simply have more to do to convince us, if you chose to do so. However the best way to do that is in simple perfomance and time. You can crank the hell out of any car for a short time. lognevity is the real test. Is this your situation, probalby not but we don't know.

For anyone to just believe numbers that are twice as high as similair setups that have been done many times, is simply foolish. We would be dumb to believe it right away and we would have to disregard all of our experiences thus far. Thats not exactly something easily done.

We are all on the same side, and we want those numbers to be 100% legit with just an intake, exhuast from turbo back, and a boost controler set to 9 PSI. Hell if they are then Terry's setup should be throwing out over 250 whp.

Keep in mind too that noone has even attempted to debate experience with anything other then a dyno sheet.
So heres the problem.
How did and MSP, which other then a ECU program and a LSD post drasticly better numbers then any other protege with the same setup? A hard questions and please no one bother going into how a turbo works. Theres no point in that. Explain from one car compared to the other. How did the MSP post FAR superior numbers. Hell even if you don't believe it explain how the numbers are wrong in that case, I have no clue how it could nor would I ertend I do. All I know is that everything I have expeirence read and researched says this isn't possible.

 

[spoolinmp3]

I wish you all the best in selling your products.

Thank you they are selling very well.....you are more than welecome to come to our open house and show me you ride
I am not on here to argue or belittle anyone just trying to figure this out. My MP3 at 10psi of boost on a 16g turbo, FMIC, 3inch HKS exhaust, tuned with a Link managment system, 8 injectors C16 race fuel and a whole bunch more s*** ran 239whp. That is on a bigger turboed car, tuned to perfection on race gas. So thats why those numbers do not sound logical to me thats all
And I dont have MSP envy....I love the car and wish I had one.

 

[spoolinmp3]

off topic but one of our s2k kits hit the rollers last week at 11psi on race gas and put down 342whp
Thats on a 2.0 liter stock motor