HP Jump!

[StreetUnit]

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stock numbers look slightly low.

I agree. But I made sure to use the same car and same dyno for the tests to show accurate readings.

 

[StreetUnit]

Thats awesome!

How did the air/fuel ratios look with all that goodness? Any plans for a new engine managment system?

shaun (canada)

Eeeeks. It hits 15 pre boost then drops below 10 once into boost.

 

[StreetUnit]

Actually there are a lot of tricks you can pull on a dyno between runs to make it look like you have more of a gain. I'm not saying that's what happened, I'm just trying to understand how SU put down the lowest stock number I have seen, especially when he says he was on the same type of dyno as me.

No dyno nor MSP are going to be the same.

 

[goku4658]

********** is pretty damn cool

 

[Mallard]

No dyno nor MSP are going to be the same.

I'm glad you're making products for the MSP so don't take this the wrong way, but you said yourself in post #21 that the stock numbers seemed low to you. As a vender don't you feel you should investigate why the car did that so when these questions come up you can have data to back up your claims?

No I do not have stock boost levels. Each MSP is different and will yield different gains. It wouldn't be accurate to compare anyway.

So you're saying that it wouldn't be accurate to compare, but you're still claiming xx HP gain from your parts. You should have at least logged boost so you could figure out if that's the reason you were low. How do you know where your gains are coming from if you're only logging HP, Torque, and A/F? As a vender do you feel that you should also be looking at temperatures (intake and EGT) and pressures (boost and exhaust)?

 

[Hughes412]

This is like the 4th thread that people start bashing SU! What do you all want them to stop making parts for us or what? The same dyno the same car. The hp gains are not that far out of reach so I don't understand all the hate.

 

[Mallard]

I'm not bashing. I'm asking a simple question. He said himself that he thought the stock dyno was low but didn't find out why.

I'm not saying his parts won't yield gains.

 

[geomatics_tech]

I'm not bashing. I'm asking a simple question. He said himself that he thought the stock dyno was low but didn't find out why.

I'm not saying his parts won't yield gains.

Yes, the stock dyno was low, but the same dyno was used afterwards. Its a differential measurment. So if the original dyno was low, then also the new numbers will be low, therefore the actual hp/tq #'s will be higher BUT its the % of gains either way. I know this and Im the pot head????

 

[StreetUnit]

I'm glad you're making products for the MSP so don't take this the wrong way, but you said yourself in post #21 that the stock numbers seemed low to you. As a vender don't you feel you should investigate why the car did that so when these questions come up you can have data to back up your claims?
So you're saying that it wouldn't be accurate to compare, but you're still claiming xx HP gain from your parts. You should have at least logged boost so you could figure out if that's the reason you were low. How do you know where your gains are coming from if you're only logging HP, Torque, and A/F? As a vender do you feel that you should also be looking at temperatures (intake and EGT) and pressures (boost and exhaust)?

You are extremely confuse or you do not know what your talking about. In either case, my number is below.

 

[StreetUnit]

Yes, the stock dyno was low, but the same dyno was used afterwards. Its a differential measurment. So if the original dyno was low, then also the new numbers will be low, therefore the actual hp/tq #'s will be higher BUT its the % of gains either way.

Exactly. I would love to test this setup on a MSP that has 155whp stock, then there would be peak gains of 220hp. I am not sure what Mallard is getting at. He has posted odd questions before on other threads.

 

[tekkie]

You are extremely confuse or you do not know what your talking about. In either case, my number is below.

his point is that on the low hp number you could be running 5psi and on the high one 12psi, the gains could be more associated with that than anything else

I think the mods made improvements no doubt but how much was caused by the boost going up?

 

[Mallard]

Yes, the stock dyno was low, but the same dyno was used afterwards. Its a differential measurment. So if the original dyno was low, then also the new numbers will be low, therefore the actual hp/tq #'s will be higher BUT its the % of gains either way. I know this and Im the pot head????

If they dyno read lower then others then yes, the % gain would be the same. But that's not what I am saying.

I'm saying that if his test car actually put out less power stock then most then his % gain would be wrong. Example: In his stock dyno his car put out 16% LESS HP then my car (and nearly every other stock dyno I've seen) and he can't explain why. Maybe his car had less stock boost then me...but he didn't even record stock boost so there's no way of knowing.

He and I were on the same model dyno so the numbers are comparable. This was brought into question in my area a while ago so a guy took his car to 3 different DynoJets in the area and was within 2-3hp on each.

My point is that if his car was making less power for some reason then his % gain is inflated. Say I put all those parts on my car and dyned the same 201HP. That's only a 41HP gain, not ~60HP.

Exactly. I would love to test this setup on a MSP that has 155whp stock, then there would be peak gains of 220hp. I am not sure what Mallard is getting at. He has posted odd questions before on other threads.

You can't claim a flat gain with no idea where it came from. If you were running 5 psi stock, then bumping to 9.5 psi would show a bigger hp gain then me going from 7 stock to 9.5. Do you understand what I'm saying?

What exactly do you mean by odd questions? I've asked questions to determine how valid your claims are.

 

[Mallard]

his point is that on the low hp number you could be running 5psi and on the high one 12psi, the gains could be more associated with that than anything else

I think the mods made improvements no doubt but how much was caused by the boost going up?

Exactly. Although he was running 9.5 psi in the second dyno and I trust that number. Those numbers look on par with everything I've ever seen. But he didn't measure stock boost so there's no way of knowing.

 

[JBreed]

sounds very clear to me...and far from odd, just a good point based on an accurate perception of reading this thread, IMO

 

[StreetUnit]

his point is that on the low hp number you could be running 5psi and on the high one 12psi, the gains could be more associated with that than anything else

I think the mods made improvements no doubt but how much was caused by the boost going up?

The first post says the testing was done at 9.5psi. It spikes to about 10.4 and falls to 9 at redline. Stock boost was at 6-6.5 psi.

 

[Mallard]

Stock boost was at 6-6.5 psi.

No I do not have stock boost levels.

Post #19
http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1938604&postcount=19

 

[StreetUnit]

If they dyno read lower then others then yes, the % gain would be the same. But that's not what I am saying.

I'm saying that if his test car actually put out less power stock then most then his % gain would be wrong. Example: In his stock dyno his car put out 16% LESS HP then my car (and nearly every other stock dyno I've seen) and he can't explain why. Maybe his car had less stock boost then me...but he didn't even record stock boost so there's no way of knowing.

He and I were on the same model dyno so the numbers are comparable. This was brought into question in my area a while ago so a guy took his car to 3 different DynoJets in the area and was within 2-3hp on each.

My point is that if his car was making less power for some reason then his % gain is inflated. Say I put all those parts on my car and dyned the same 201HP. That's only a 41HP gain, not ~60HP.

You can't claim a flat gain with no idea where it came from. If you were running 5 psi stock, then bumping to 9.5 psi would show a bigger hp gain then me going from 7 stock to 9.5. Do you understand what I'm saying?

What exactly do you mean by odd questions? I've asked questions to determine how valid your claims are.

I do not have a time right now to respond to this, I apologize. Feel free to call me tomorrow. If you want answers to "my claims" as you put it, I am always a call away. Seems like you are just looking to pick apart every post I make, thats how it seems. I am sorry I do not write a book on here, I just give you guys as much info I have at hand. Yet nothing is ever good enough for a few of you guys, which I realize. But you can gaurantee that we will continue to feed the market full of fun & cost efficient parts.

 

[StreetUnit]

Post #19
http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1938604&postcount=19

He asked for stock dyno runs at stock boost, I do not have them.

I AM NOT A LIAR.

I will be expecting a call tomorrow or refrain from posting in my threads.

 

[MazdaSpeedSter]

Don't go by dyno #'s. They're not accurate... Theres no way he'd get good dyno's right now anyways for what he's looking for. Wait till winter then the #'s will change drastically. Florida right now sucks for dynos. There now way to get #'s your looking for. First you gotta drive to the place, park and let it heat soak, then start it up again, put it on the dyno, put a little P.O.S. fan to simulate "driving." Dyno's are not a good way to rate a product. Unless there was a way to always have a standard everything atmospherically, even then every car is different and will preform different.

 

[Mallard]

I will be expecting a call tomorrow or refrain from posting in my threads.

Yeah, public forums suck. I'm an engineer so when someone posts claims I like to see what data there is to back them up instead of blindly believing them. It's a peeve of mine to see "tests" being run without adequate instrumentation hooked up. I have asked questions trying to determine what other data you can provide besides, 'I bolted all this stuff on and got this.' That's it. They're not hard or trick questions.

It seems I misunderstood your post about stock boost. I am not trying to call you a liar or defame your character, I'm simply asking for more info.