How fast is a MSP

[big_ben]

Whats going on with the FM kit on there putting out those numbers?

Are you on acid or something?

Drop the attitude and backup your statements.

FM Protege turbo
What's that? 167.5 at the wheels, and that's with a T3 turbo, not a wimpy T26. Oh yeah, and the FM intercooler is also bigger than the stock MSP intercooler. Trust me, you don't want to battle me, I know what the hell I'm talking about.

Also, I don't have an attitude, I just don't like filling peoples heads with bulls*** info like you. Trust me, WITH THE CURRENT INTERCOOLER AND EXHAUST SETUP, THE MSP WILL NEVER SEE 185 TO THE WHEELS.

If you are so bad and so sure of yourself, prove me wrong. I dare you.

 

[SpicyMSP]

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[SpicyMSP]

UH i think turboge knows what he is talking about too. Considering he does get paid to fly out to different states and tune peoples cars

 

[turboge]

Are you on acid or something?
What's that? 167.5 at the wheels, and that's with a T3 turbo, not a wimpy T26. Oh yeah, and the FM intercooler is also bigger than the stock MSP intercooler. Trust me, you don't want to battle me, I know what the hell I'm talking about.

I'm sorry, did you fail to see the fact that they are using the stock ecu? Keith knows damn well that if they put real management on the car it would be throwing down a much healthier number. Ben, have you ever touched a haltech, TEC-II, Link, SDS, Autronic, or Motronic Standalone? Keith and I have, step off. You don't know what the **** you are talking about.

Also, I don't have an attitude, I just don't like filling peoples heads with bulls*** info like you. Trust me, WITH THE CURRENT INTERCOOLER AND EXHAUST SETUP, THE MSP WILL NEVER SEE 185 TO THE WHEELS.

Actually you do, and it's been stated to you over and over. You don't believe it because you are so thick headed you don't understand what you are saying. My info is backed up by my own numbers and tuning, I have been tuning mazda engines for 3 years, go get yourself some real tuning experience and come back without the chip on your shoulder.

If you are so bad and so sure of yourself, prove me wrong. I dare you.

No problem, send me $2000 and I'll take care of that problem you call bulls***.

 

[MSP Pro]

Braden: With the 1.8L Protege and the VJ20 turbo, you say you're getting 200whp. Doesn't the 1.8L have the same tranny as our 2.0L MSP? I read in SCC that the MSP hp was limited to save the tranny. What do you figure is the limit that the tranny can take without drastically shortening it's life. Since you're running 200whp through the same tranny, have you experienced any problems? I'm not talking drag racing clutch dumps strength, just good old track time and autox useage. Just trying to get a feel for the power limits of the drivetrain.

 

[turboge]

1.8 = G25MR max 375lb-ft and 450hp
2.0 = G15MR max 275lb-ft and 325hp (theoretical)

The main problem is case flex, the case will flex under high load and shock and cause the gearset to move, this will blow holes in the casing.

I've tuned a 1.8 with a larger turbo to 282whp and 280lb-ft and had no tranny problems. On higher boost with my VJ-20 I was running 235whp and 265lb-ft of torque. No problems.

We take it easy on our trannies, no power shifts, slipping the clutch on launch. They will last a while if you drive them that way.

 

[big_ben]

Like I said, prove me wrong. I backed my info up. Back yours up.

 

[SpicyMSP]

are you going to pay for it?

 

[APEXistud]

Just a thought here, but even when you get the MSP to 185 whp, it won't be extremely fast on at the track or doing a freeway run. Plain and simple, the t25 is perfect for quick spool up and fast midrange driving ie: autocrossing, but is not ideal for drag racing or top end power. If you want more top end power, the only way to go aside from BPU (Basic Performance Upgrades) like exhuast, intake or filter, downpipe, is a larger turbo. A larger turbo should be in your upgrade list along with some sort of engine management. I won't go as far as saying that the MSP can't get there only doing the "BPU", but I will say that if you want real power, real power being top end power you have to get a larger turbo you can't be too optimistic about the tiny t25. From looking at the MSP's engine bay, there is definately room for a larger turbo. My final thoughts are that it is too early to say what you can get to the wheels on the MSP after "BPU". We'll have to see what the little b**** is capable of before we start drawing conclusions.

 

[chwood]

From looking at the MSP's engine bay, there is definately room for a larger turbo. My final thoughts are that it is too early to say what you can get to the wheels on the MSP after "BPU". We'll have to see what the little b**** is capable of before we start drawing conclusions.

(2thumbs)

well holy sheyit, would ya look at that - a post sensibly NOT jumping to conclusions before the data is in!

The crowd is stunned!

 

[1sty]

I would think the main limiting factor of the MSP is the effeciency of the T25 at over 7 PSI of boost. Not being an expert but to my knowledge the T25 will mostly just be throwing heat that damn near nothing could take at higher boost levels. But I see no reason why at even 6 PSI the MSP would not be able to hit the 185whp mark with a well designed and unrestrictive exhuast intake and better intercooler along wiht a fully tunable engine management system.

Hey Turboge, wiht the new version of WDS coming out will that allow for a better turbo tune for all bossted proteges?

Will you take $2K to get 225 whp from my MP3?

 

[turboge]

I'll tune your car if you decide to put a haltech in it. $2k should get you a well setup E-11 and some dyno time in your area. The E6K could work but you'd be out a couple of features. With the T3 on the MP3 225 is not a problem with some good gas.

I ran a .48/.60 T3 on a Miata and hit 292rwhp @ 10psi w/ 100 octane. With 91 octane we put out 250whp @ 10psi.

This T25 will run up to 1bar. 12psi is a very good efficiency point.

 

[1sty]

NICE!
Can only run 94 octane day to day though.

 

[turboge]

Thats fine, I did the 282whp 1.8 Turbo with 93 octane. We even ran it at 30psi for 1 run to see how well it'd do. Made more torque but the head couldn't flow anymore.

 

[1sty]

Any idea why people have come to comonly accept that the FS engine can't handle more then 10PSI?

How much does the Haltech and all the other pars i will need for it go for?

 

[turboge]

Not a lot of people have actual experience with anything greater than the stock ecu...

I do the E6K kit for $1300. I haven't received a pricing sheet on the E-11. Those are hard to get right now because of massive ordering on them when they were released.

 

[1sty]

Well I just down loaded the E11 manual I will get the E6K and start reading ASAP!

 

[70]

It'll be interesting to see what the MSP can do.

But, I'll stick with my MP3 turbo, and wait for Keith and the gang to get the trick set up. They are close.

 

[1sty]

HAVE YOU BEEN BOTHERING THEM AGAIN?

Jesus, after you they are never dealing with a Protege owner again.

 

[70]

HAVE YOU BEEN BOTHERING THEM AGAIN?

Jesus, after you they are never dealing with a Protege owner again.

They love me...No no really, they really love me there.

I play with the animals while I'm there.