There are a lot of big manufacturers that see a market for business. How many civics, TC's and EVO's are being sold and that there is a market to modify these cars? With a protege, how many people go out and buy a protege thinking I want to build a drag car, show, or audio competetion car. I try and get stuff done, I always get the "how many people might be interested in that?" well we can't really say a huge # because there are only 2k of us MSP and a few interested regular proteges.
High HP with the FSDE
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Just FYI, even the Stage 1 heads have the 5 angle valve job and bowl work.
http://www.speedcircuit.net/product_info.php?cPath=21_38&products_id=196
Sorry to not give you creds. on that video man. I had no idea you were on this board too. Of course, I'm still new here...
I'm right there with ya on the tire boiling fun you can have at 40+! I think it's much more impressive to break the tires loose on a roll than from a digg(shocked)
I think 280-300 whp is plenty of motor for the MSP, and I'll probably never get this far with it. But for those that want more..... Why in the hell would you want more than that!?! Anything above that is simply over kill and you won't be able to control it on street tires! You've seen the videos to prove it!! I don't see the point - so I will digress and ready myself for the flamers.
It may have something to do with engine design, but really any 2.0 liter pushing 400 whp is waaay out of bounds in terms of engine longevity. It's basically a build-it-up, tear-it-down engine lifestyle at this point unless you have some fairly deep pockets to afford the exotic engine components you'll need to sustainably produce that kind of power. Those engine components will need extensive R&D time, as well as a wealthy venture capitalist to fund the whole operation. Know any wealthy venture capitalist? If you do, then you'll probably have the first 400whp FSDE motor that runs on pump gas
For most manufacturers, 100hp per liter is the goal for a rock-solid engine platform - and that's flywheel rated HP. The STi and EVO trump this mark, but they are the rare exception that can do it for under $35K. If you want more power from those motors, well then you're back to square one.
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thanks Dana, i that case i might just spend the extra $$ and get the stage 2. Mmmmmm
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Im pushing 10psi and I dont really spin my tires at all. I might get a little chirp between 1-2, but other than that nothing major. But if I want, i can make my second gear spin every time. I have learned to shift differently between 1-2 to avoid useless spinning.
no its just that what you listed is very close to my setup
oh, haha.. I thought you were laughing at the parts I chose..
Why would you say you're back to square one on an EVO or STi? Its basically cheap as hell to mod an evo.. And even cheaper to tune it..
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I wasn't trying to include evo's and sti's in the whole thing because getting 350whp is alot easier on an evo or sti. I wish I could afford either one of those cars.
Speaking of which, I beat and evo the other day racing if you can call it that. He was bouncing his car off the rev limiter and stuff and took off from the light. I slowly started not in a hurry at all. After he got into third he blew his head gasket, so it seemed. And I proceeded to pass him as he pulled into the closest parking lot. He he, i think that counts as a win.
Speaking of which, I beat and evo the other day racing if you can call it that. He was bouncing his car off the rev limiter and stuff and took off from the light. I slowly started not in a hurry at all. After he got into third he blew his head gasket, so it seemed. And I proceeded to pass him as he pulled into the closest parking lot. He he, i think that counts as a win.
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In that case he must have had his 2step high as s***, cause it wasn't no 5k when he took off.
if you want 400whp in your msp you might as well swap a FE3 (FE DOHC) motor and wire up a stand alone and save yourself the headache of building the FS setup to 400WHP.
They are between $500-1000 + tranny, axles, stand alone etc.
Best 4 cyl mazda motor IMO though the new 2.3 disi might eclipse it.
They are between $500-1000 + tranny, axles, stand alone etc.
Best 4 cyl mazda motor IMO though the new 2.3 disi might eclipse it.
hmm..what car does the FE3 motor comes from? Does it swap right into the engine without modifying the motor mounts?
I wish there were engine swaps for our cars like as easy as hondas that were built well fromt the factory.
Seriously.. The cars would have a better aftermarket then as well..
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BLASPHEMY! haha jk....it would be so cool then I could take the v-tech sticker off my cordless phone and put it on my car! Dee-dee-deee!
crashkelly
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I want someone to rotorize a msp. imagine a MSP with a turbo rx7 motor...ah sweet dreaming...
kia bought it.... over here it lives in the sportage.... Will it bolt straight in? not likely.... custom mounts at the very least.
