High Flow Fuel Pump Internals Kit - MZR 2.3 DISI

you guys make it seem so easy to intall...people have been scared to do this themselves. just like me haha... any updates on the ones that had installed them? how are they doing, and any issues? thanks!

I want this too but I'm on the fence on which brand internal I should buy: KDM, Autotech or CPE? I read that Corksport may make some as well, but don't quote me on this 1.
 
you guys make it seem so easy to intall...people have been scared to do this themselves. just like me haha... any updates on the ones that had installed them? how are they doing, and any issues? thanks!

I want this too but I'm on the fence on which brand internal I should buy: KDM, Autotech or CPE? I read that Corksport may make some as well, but don't quote me on this 1.
Resurection is a beautiful thing
 
I'm interested in this as well. Which is the better route? Full CP-E pump or KDM / Autotech internals?
 
The CPE is the best option currently which is also why it's more expensive than anyone else. They put their lifetime warranty on it so if for some reason it goes bad, you get a new one. The Autotechs are what we run and they are running great to this point. We're at sea level and run 18psi, fully bolted, stock turbo and plan on using them with a big turbo soon.
 
I decided to go for the internals kit instead of the entire pump. i did the install in 2-1/2 hours, was not hard at all, just takes time to take everything out to get to the pump and put it all back together. as far as the pump goes its pretty straight forward to get the internals out and the new ones in. really happy with my outcome.
 
Might not be a bad thing to "revive" this thread, as gen 1 cars are now starting to get some miles on them and even good pumps will eventually develop internal wear. My stock pump held pressure above 1600 psi, even with my mods below, until a few weeks ago and 61,000 miles of "spirited" driving. It began dropping pressure gradually until pressure fell below 1400 psi under high load.

I went with the Autotech internals. Our car's cam driven fuel pump uses the same internals as the 2.0T Audi-VW. Autotech has been around a long time and their kit has proven itself to be (1) easy to install - very clear instructions and (2) very reliable. I'm sure the other products out there are too, but reputation counts a lot for me. It is widely available from a number of vendors. Shop around for the best price. Expect something in the range of $340-360 shipped.

As to the install, follow the sticky and you'll do fine.

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?123719261-CDFP-Internals-install-guide.&daysprune=-1

A few extra pointers: You will have the option of just replacing the internals (piston and chamber, stem cap and keepers), or doing a complete rebuild. The latter uses no new parts but in addition to replacing the kit parts, there is a complete tear down, cleaning of all internal orifaces and reassembly.

I opted to just do the replacement of internals. To do that the only "special" tools you need that would not be in most hand tool boxes would be an E-8 reverse (female) torx socket (1/4 inch drive is fine) and a deep 18 mm socket (3/8 inch drive is fine). The 18 mm nut is going to be torqued down pretty tight, so you might have to use a pull handle and extension to break it loose. It needs to go back just as tight. I think torque spec is about 50 pounds, but not sure now. In disassembling the pump and putting in the new internals you need an ultra-clean work surface and should wear latex gloves. Even a tiny speck of dirt or debris getting into the pump can be disaster.

To do the complete rebuild you will also need a T-25 "safety" torx. That is a T-25 that has a small hole in the middle. As stated, I opted to thoroughly flush the pump with fresh gasoline and blow out everything with compressed air and did not do the complete rebuild. Your choice.

If you let the car sit overnight the system will depressurize the pump. That way, you do not have to pull the relay to depressurize it before starting. Take off the cover on the top mounted intercooler. The pump sits up high on the right side of the cylinder head as you face the engine from the front of the car.

You will need a long zip tie and put it just below the nut on the high pressure line going into the bottom of the pump. Otherwise, that nut can fall down the line deep into the engine bay and may be extremely difficult to retreive.

I recommend that you pull the battery box. Some guys manage to remove and replace the pump without doing that, but I can't see how it is possible. Removing the battery and box is a bit of a pain, but it is straight forward. Since the ECU is mounted on the side of the battery box, you have to remove the two plug straps and pull those plugs to get the combined ECU and battery box out of the car. There is also a two wire plug on top of the fuel pump that needs to be removed and then snapped back in place after you are done, in addition to the "blue" and "yellow" coded fuel lines.

Be sure to use clean gasoline to flush out the inside of the pump and "wash" everything, but do not, I repeat, DO NOT use gasoline during final assembly. You must use fresh engine oil to lubricate the internals, especially the piston wall and chamber-cylinder. Gasoline is a poor lubricant, to say the least. It would be good, but not necessary to use moly-based cam lube on the contact point with the cam, although a few drops of fresh engine oil will do.

Be sure to key the ignition to "on" (but do not start the car) several times and then hold the accelerator pedal all the way to the floor while turning the engine over. The car will not start with the accelerator pedal floored, but it will prime the fuel pump.

Then you need to break the pump in by driving the car normally but avoiding full wide open throttle use for about 75-100 miles. You can then drive the car like you stole it.

BTW: This upgrade increases both volume and pressure. The kit piston and cylinder are much larger than stock, so you get more volume of fuel for each pump stroke. Data logging is showing pump pressure now as high as 2100 psi, compared to around 1750 max on the stock pump. However, the extra pressure probably cannot be actually used on stock tune or even with HT. My data logs show that "commanded" fuel pressure never exceeds approximately 1670 psi. But the extra capacity is good insurance and would certainly be a consideration for custom tuning.
 
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i still see no gains from doing this other than maintenance...

I'm sorry you did not find this information helpful.

You probably do not monitor your DISI rail fuel pressure? If so, I apologize. If you are not, then understand that if that pump's pressure drops down much below about 1400 psi under WOT load, you are probably going to join the zoom, zoom, boom club and look at replacing your engine. If the engine does not blow first, the drop in pressure will adversely affect performance. The engine will pull timing like crazy to try to maintain its target AFR. This results in the engine literally laying down in the high rpm range with resultant drop in acceleration and quarter mile trap speed. This has been documented and reported by a number of various users on this and other boards.

Also, if you are completely stock and have adequate pressure, that's one thing. But any degree of modding beyond a simple intake, especially installing an aftermarket downpipe and racepipe or adding a tuning option such at Access Port or Hypertech with increased load tables and modified boost and timing tables, and you are inviting absolute disaster.

Do you even own a DISI engined car? I see reference to a modified MSP over under your avitar. You do understand we are discussing direct injection cam driven high pressure fueling. Sorry. I do not intend to offend, but how in the world can you reach your conclusion? Cobb mandatorily requires the upgraded pump for Stage 2 tuning, and an upgraded pump has proven to be almost mandatory for just about any modding of the gen 2 MS3. Gee . . .
 
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no need to be condescending, buddy.
i happen to own 3 turbo cars
a boosted MP3 and Mazdaspeed protege and a mazdaspeed 3.
my quetsion was simple and requiered a simple answer, not the freaking bible you wrote there (i dind't read it all, coz i got bored through the middle of it)
anyways.
i see your point, and now i understand WHY it is needed...you couldve saved yourself a bunch of typing if you had only said this"if that pump's pressure drops down much below about 1400 psi under WOT load, you are probably going to join the zoom, zoom, boom club and look at replacing your engine. If the engine does not blow first, the drop in pressure will adversely affect performance. The engine will pull timing like crazy to try to maintain its target AFR. This results in the engine literally laying down in the high rpm range with resultant drop in acceleration and quarter mile trap speed."

done deal,
instead you chose to act like a 5 year old.

thank you very much sir.

I'm sorry you did not find this information helpful.

You probably do not monitor your DISI rail fuel pressure? If so, I apologize. If you are not, then understand that if that pump's pressure drops down much below about 1400 psi under WOT load, you are probably going to join the zoom, zoom, boom club and look at replacing your engine. If the engine does not blow first, the drop in pressure will adversely affect performance. The engine will pull timing like crazy to try to maintain its target AFR. This results in the engine literally laying down in the high rpm range with resultant drop in acceleration and quarter mile trap speed. This has been documented and reported by a number of various users on this and other boards.

Also, if you are completely stock and have adequate pressure, that's one thing. But any degree of modding beyond a simple intake, especially installing an aftermarket downpipe and racepipe or adding a tuning option such at Access Port or Hypertech with increased load tables and modified boost and timing tables, and you are inviting absolute disaster.

Do you even own a DISI engined car? I see reference to a modified MSP over under your avitar. You do understand we are discussing direct injection cam driven high pressure fueling. Sorry. I do not intend to offend, but how in the world can you reach your conclusion? Cobb mandatorily requires the upgraded pump for Stage 2 tuning, and an upgraded pump has proven to be almost mandatory for just about any modding of the gen 2 MS3. Gee . . .
 
Sorry I offended.

I didn't see a question in your response. Only a statement that seemed to lack any factual support. The statement I responded to was extremely surprising. It suggested perhaps some misunderstanding of the importance of maintaining high fuel pressure in DISI engines, not merely from a maintenance standpoint, but for engine safety and as an essential building block for all but the simplest mods.

No attitude here. Merely facts. Just trying to be helpful. Short statements can be misunderstood. Maybe I misunderstood your. I like longer statements so that the meaning is as clear as I can make it. Maybe others will find some use for the posts.

I hope you are monitoring your fuel pressure and that it is o.k.

I acknowledge that you have been a member of this forum for a long time and post frequently. You like short posts. That's good. Some of us do like the long posts. I look for them so that I can learn, hopefully, something new every day. I find that helpful as I continue to learn more and more about the complexities of our little hot rods.
 
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lol, you like them so long that you even go back to edit them add more!

no biggies man

and the reason why i ask about this is because i, too, am worried about the fuel pressure.
i have not had the chance to monitor it sinc ei don't have a gauge for it.
i've only had the MS3 for one month so i'm pretty new to this scene.
 
Thanks for the reply. Consider getting either a Dash Hawk (used since they are now out of production) or Cobb Access Port (just for monitoring for the time being and run stock map until you get your feet wet). Another alternative would be any one of a number of scan tools out on the market. I use a product called ScanXL Pro. It's a Mazda specific software package from Palmer Performance Engineering with a "dongle" that has a cable that connects one end to the OBD II port on your car in front of your left knee through a modem like "translator" with a USB connector that you plug into a laptop computer. There are lots of choices, but IMHO, you need something.

That way you can know what the critical engine performance data is and with DH, AP and ScanXL Pro, you can data log and safe the data. This is a very hot engine with a strong block, very advanced cylinder head design, sophisticated variable valve timing, etc. but it is very finicky about what mods you add and just what changes you can safely make. Others may say differently, but to me you really need to watch boost, fuel rail pressure, air-to-fuel ratio and wastegate duty cycle, at an absolute minimum if you are going to be putting any power mods on the car beyond a simple intake upgrade.

This is my fourth turbo car, all previous ones pretty heavily modded, and it ain't like any of them. It's a whole world unto itself. I don't know very much, but have been carefully modding, data logging, testing and making changes gradually over three years and 61,000 miles now. It's a new world every day. I wish I'd done the fuel pump upgrade a long time ago.

I'll stop bothering y'all now with the long winded posts. lol
 
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so, whats this software you use?
i ahve a bluetooth ODBII dongle that i use with an android app called "torque".
but i also have a bluetooth ready laptop that i can load software on...i just don't know where to start.
 

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