Hesitant and Stuttery below about 3,500 RPM

ljstevens

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2008 Mazdaspeed 3 GT
Hi All
I am a relatively new MS3 owner, and quite new to this forum. I have tried searching for a solution to my problem, and although I have some ideas as a result of searches, I really would appreciate other people's opinions on what I am experiencing.

I have a 2008 MS3 with 62,000 miles, a consistent service history and a COBB CAI.

My car seems to hesitate and stutter when I accelerate at low revs. Almost like it wants to run on 3 cylinders, or as if something is restricting the engine (a bit like over-choking?). If I persevere through the hesitation and get north of about 3,500 RPM, things seem to be OK. It sucks for accelerating on the freeway, going from cruising at low revs to try and overtake.

I changed the sparks plugs for Denso iridium ones (as recommended by users here) a few weeks ago and reduced the gap slightly. I have also run a can of Seafoam through the gas tank. Initially I had the 'feel good factor' and thought that the issue was resolved, but in hindsight it is just the same.

I have no check engine lights, fuel economy seems to be normal, and overall acceleration speed is mostly normal. I should also not that when I do accelerate hard, I seem to get an 'engine pushed hard' kind of smell that enters the cabin. This could be completely unrelated. I used to get this kind of smell on my old Audi A3 3.2 Quattro from the exhaust when I pushed the car hard up the mountain to ski resort. I just thought I would add this to build the picture.

It seems from reading around this forum that this could be caused by the EGR valve, but other people seem to get CEL codes when these are malfunctioning.

If anyone has some insight, I really would appreciate it. If you need any more specs about my car, please let me know.

Thanks!
 
Thanks for the reply. I had the issue before changing the plugs. I initially thought this is a classic symptom of old plugs, so I changed them in the hope of solving the problem. If I remember correctly the plugs I took out were stock. I am not sure if they were factory originals or a second set of oem replacements. I bought the car at 55,000 miles. Either way mileage wise it was good to put new plugs in. I put in Denso ITV20 iridium plugs.
 
Sounds like a fuel problem. Sometimes when you stomp on the gas at low rpms, if the engine bogs, it is not getting enough fuel. Another issue is the opposite, it is not getting enough air.

One thing to check is the cat. When the cat is plugged, it can act like this.
 
Sounds like a fuel problem. Sometimes when you stomp on the gas at low rpms, if the engine bogs, it is not getting enough fuel. Another issue is the opposite, it is not getting enough air.

One thing to check is the cat. When the cat is plugged, it can act like this.
 
Thanks for the suggestion. I have never replaced a cat. It seems that there is a primary and a secondary one on the MS3 (maybe on all cars too :) ). Is it more likely one than the other? If the cat is dying doesn't it throw a CEL?
 
it would be nice if someone in the area would meet up with you for a day.. post up in the AZ thread, or maybe classifieds and ask someone to let you use their dash hawk or AP and get some data logs so you can see whats going on.. other than that its tough to diagnose. This way if it is the fuel pump dying you will know and can get some internals before it totally craps out on you.
 
An extremely dirty MAFS might cause this issue, have you tried cleaning it and resetting the ECU?
 
OK Thanks. Shout out to Houston MS3 owners!?!

Some useful info to add... May confuse matters!... I was dropping my wife off to work this morning and she reminded me that she hit/ran over a kind of tangled metal strip about 2 months ago that was kicked up by the truck infront of us on the freeway (one of the only times she has driven the car and... well :( ) It hit and cracked the driver side front grille/bumper (replacement of that is a different project). After the impact, we ran over it too, so maybe it clawed/scraped/broke something as it hit the front and continued under the car?

I haven't had it formally inspected, still deciding whether to go through insurance. Now I think about it, this problem seemed to start around the same time this happened. Maybe totally unrelated. I have had a quick look under the car, and most things seem like they are pretty well tucked away under the engine. Is there anything anyone can suggest that:

1 - Could be vulnerable
2 - If hit, could cause the kind of symptoms I am experiencing?

Thanks so far, I am feeling progress is being made by being surrounded by great, helpful and knowledgeable people!
 
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buy or borrow a dashhawk, and do some logging while you recreate the stuttering

sooner or later you will log the parameter that leads you to the problem

Good guess on the plugs, by the way
 
did you "informally" inspect it after hitting the object? Probably a good idea after hitting something to at least open the hood as well as put the car up and take a peak underneath. Also, hit up local forums/or even CL and try to get someone from the area with a DH to try and identify the issue.
 
I have looked around underneath and from above as best I can, and cannot see any noticeable damage (except for the small crack in the bumper cover of course). Good suggestion, I will try and reach out to local MS3 owners via CL and such. I hope to get somewhere!
 
I don't want to branch the topic, but I have an Android phone, a Bluetooth OBDII reader and the Torque app for android. It seems this can log the engine data. If I can do this, would I need a DashHawk?
 
I am going to definitely try this tonight! I tried to find a pic guide/how-to for cleaning the MAFS online, but couldn't find any links that still work. Am I right in thinking this is the sensor that sits right inside from my CAI?
 
Usually when a cat plugs, it should set a code, but if it is intermittent, it may not or it may take a while for the ECU to see a problem exists.

With the MAF sensor, live data readings should be .4000 and above at idle. Cleaning it with brake clean may work, but replacing the sensor may have to be done.

If you hit something, look at the wiring to the o2 sensors and the sensors themselves. If they are hit, they can be damaged.
 
Yes, the MAFS is right on top, easy to see and get to. Disconnect the battery. Remove the two phillips screws, careful you don't drop them and lose them, they are tiny. Pull the MAFS out and squeeze the connector to release it from the harness. But before you do this, go to Autozone and pick up a can of CRC MAFS cleaner ($5). Spray the inside of the MAFS and let it dry for about an hour before reinstalling it, reconnect the battery.
This might not fix the problem, but it is definitely worth giving it a shot.
 
I wouldn't use brake cleaner, use the CRC MAFS cleaner to be on the safe side, it is specially formulated.
 
Actually you probably have allen screws instead of phillips screws on the MAFS. I have a COBB SRI as well - don't remember if the factory screws were philips or allen but anyway if you have allen head
screws you will need a 3mm allen wrench.
 
Back to zoom, zoom, zoooooooooom.... Wooohooooooo!

You guys are geniuses! You guys + Autozone + $6.99 Can of CRC MAFS Cleaner = Smooth Running MS3 + Happy me + Many Thanks!

Thank you so much. Instant difference! My MS2.5 is now back to being a MS3. You guys have made my day, seriously! I have learnt new things too! So excited that I popped the hood of the MX-5 (yep... 2 Mazda family ;) ) and cleaned the MAFS on that too (that looked even dirtier than the MS3 one!)

I haven't hooked up my bluetooth and Torque App yet, but I will as soon as I can and confirm the numbers with the cleaned MAFS numbers... let's hope they are below .4000!

Thanks again, off to celebrate with my wife at our salsa dancing class tonight!
 
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