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[JunkPunch]

go back to your community college and take another course in basic economoc concepts for the inept, maybe this time you'll figure out what that word means, i know it has too many syllables for you, but sound it out and you'll do fine

Wow, good comeback lil guy. I'll give you another chance to explain how privatization relates in any way to Henry Ford. I'm sure you won't, but I thought I would give you a chance.

 

[tonkabui]

"my intention was to show what happens when the privatization of a commodity affects the general populace. (continues to babble about price gouging)"

yeah that privatization thing really has hurt us. henry ford and the production line. damn that bastard for making cheap reliable cars!!!!! if only cars cost upwards of 200k like in the old days (adjusted for inflation).. aaah that would be perfect. nevermind the advances made in healthcare from privatization *cough* *cough* penecillin was a PRIVATELY FUNDED research project. yeah the benefits of privatization are very hard to see. man i just wish the government was in charge of everything. our cars would be efficient, perfectly safe, get 2-3 miles to the gallon, be as big as tanks, and as reliable as a yugo (which if i remember correctly is a government product). this government controlling everything is a great idea!! look how well it worked for the USSR!!!! they're kickin ass right... oh damn i forgot how their economy never worked, they had to rule be fear, and they never built a damn thing that was any good except for the TWO things they used private companies for, ships and airplanes. but damn if their cars arent top of the line. kickin ford's ass (and i hate ford).

funny how you disprove someone's argument and all the sudden they were "being sarcastic" about it. makes you wonder is they're being sarcastic about everything... if so, does that mean kerry is just a joke? because that would explain a lot. he's quite the funny one. my props to the democratic national convention for the greatest joke ever told

and the privatization of the health care system sure has worked wonders for the american public. i'm not saying that the government should have control over evertything. i'm saying that giving a broken machine (like health care) more control and more power is dangerous. and you never disproved my argument, you just misunderstood my intention. i'm from california and was paying the exhorbiant amounts of energy costs. i remember them vividly.

and if you recall, the human genome project was a joint venture between the federal government along with the international community and private companies, and in having this joint venture, the complete human genome was mapped a year before its projected completion.

capitalism works at its best when there are many smaller entities working for the same goal, like automobile manufacturing in its hay days. what ford did was pioneer the production line, serving as a model for other companies to follow. that system would have worked great if things remained as they did back then. but look at what's happening in the auto industry now. the big three own a majority of the makes. you get an inferior product for just as much money. look at the radio and news industries. a few companies own a majority of the frequencies. what do you get then? inferior cars, inferior information.

 

[hazeXban]

I am not kidding...healthcare got screwed because of lawsuits, nothing else. Lawyers and bad unions will kill this country.

 

[tonkabui]

i wouldn't blame the failures of the health insurance industry on lawsuits alone. i think it is the greed that's all around. some people decided it was a good idea to sue a doctor for something stupid and the insurance companies saw that it was a good opportunity to price gouge doctors. then they used the same "people are suing doctors" argument to raise premiums on the end users. in the end, everyone loses except the insurance industry. i actually agree with bush's initiative that closes the loophole in malpractice lawsuits.

 

[melicha8]

That article you posted is BS.

1-Stem Cell research will not cure atlimer's

Wow! And what kind of scientific basis have you made this claim. Why don't you take what I say as factual and well documented. I have a BS in Biochemistry. It is a neurodegenerative disease caused by the AIF gene. The AIF(Apoptosis inducing factor) gene regulates programmed cell death(apoptosis). This gene becomes damaged due to oxadative stress much like how your skin becomes less soft and less perfect. When damaged the gene triggers the cells to undergo apoptosis in an uncontrolled fassion leading to premature death of nerve cells, which of course leads to alzheimers. Nerve cells can be made from stem cells(you can think of these as unformed blocks of clay that can be induced to take any shape as long as the correst conditions and hormones prevail) thereby creating a new cell line for the patient which is almost completely free of any oxadative stress(ie aging). Or you can drink green tee or orange juice all your life.

 

[yashooa]

I am not kidding...healthcare got screwed because of lawsuits, nothing else. Lawyers and bad unions will kill this country.

I agree like all things that start out good over time those who can manipulate the system to make a huge profit come along and **** it up for everyone.

 

[+ friction]

Wow! And what kind of scientific basis have you made this claim. Why don't you take what I say as factual and well documented. I have a BS in Biochemistry. It is a neurodegenerative disease caused by the AIF gene. The AIF(Apoptosis inducing factor) gene regulates programmed cell death(apoptosis). This gene becomes damaged due to oxadative stress much like how your skin becomes less soft and less perfect. When damaged the gene triggers the cells to undergo apoptosis in an uncontrolled fassion leading to premature death of nerve cells, which of course leads to alzheimers. Nerve cells can be made from stem cells(you can think of these as unformed blocks of clay that can be induced to take any shape as long as the correst conditions and hormones prevail) thereby creating a new cell line for the patient which is almost completely free of any oxadative stress(ie aging). Or you can drink green tee or orange juice all your life.

Wow...above my head, but sounds promising.

And you have a trunk monkey??

 

[melicha8]

3) These are the cells that make babies. You would need to almost farm baby cells to make this happen and this means you would basically be farming humans and to me that is like some F'ed up Matrix battery s*** right there.

Not true. Once a stem cell is extracted, provided you grow them in the right conditions, you can create a colony from just that one stem cell. Once at a lrge enough colony you can take some cells and grow(theoretically) an organ from it. This has been done from callus(a plants stem cells which it carries throughout it's life span) on plants.

 

[hazeXban]

Its the same thing, all those cells are precursors to babies.

On a positive note, I would like to say that it makes me happy that so many of us bring something to the table to bring up valid points, good debates going on here which means many of us have some intelligence, we should save this stuff for people who say we don't know anything just because we like girls/sports/cars/video games/etc hehe.

 

[chkmgnt58]

henry ford entered an industry that at the time was dominated by government controlled companies (all from forign countries btw). thus, having a private company enter indutries controlled by governments = privatization

and i never said healthcare wasnt broken. it is, but bush is on the right track here, he is attacking the biggest problem with healthcare, which is everyone wanting the quick buck. raising taxes to make free healthcare a la canada or the former USSR will not help, it will ruin the system. competition makes better products, and government controlled systems dont have competition. unless you see DHL as a viable alternative to sending letters than the postal service.

speaking of raising taxes, lets do just that. it will be fun. that way i can spend all that money on expanding the armed forces that are overtaxed right now. forget taht my party is the one that dismantled that armed forced to 1/4 of what they were 10 years ago, citing that theres no one left to fight. let's expand. and guess what? YOU get to pay for it. no no, not the person paying 15% of their 30,000, the person paying 40% of their 120,000. and why should you get a hike? its called equal distribution of the wealth. you worked hard, got lucky, or whatever more money, therefore you should have to support those who didnt. havent you read karl marx? the perfect society has everyone making the same amount, thus i'll tax those who make more because they dont deserve it. i deserve it, because i sat on my ass collecting my welfare and child support checks, spent half of it on drugs, the other half on lottery tickets, and damn if i'm not broke now. forget getting a job, i got three kids to support!! now tax that rich person for making more money then i do, what the hell he do? found microsoft? well forget that, i need more drug money, so take all his s***!!!

damn communists, you're why this country is falling apart

 

[PhreakV]

I am not kidding...healthcare got screwed because of lawsuits, nothing else. Lawyers and bad unions will kill this country.

well I sure am glad that price gouging by prescription drug companies has had nothing to do with it. they only produce medicine for pennies on the dollar that most people pay. yes they need money for research but most everyone else in the world (socialized medicinal countries included) seem to work out plans for the populace with the frug companies just fine. oh and greedy ******* doctors can't have anything to do with it either. everyone with a specialized skill (regardless of how good they actually are using that skill) deserves to make $150k plus...

the American capitalist system (i.e. freeflowing greed) is what is going to kill the American capitalist system. lawyers, baseball players, doctors, car manufacturers, everyone is in the same ******* boat. "grab money while its there and **** everyone else..." great system, huh?

I would say that to vote for Bush is to mortgage the future of our kids; increasing deficits that continue to run up our debt (some of these creditors are going to want their money back at some point...), and endless war (that's what "always being on the offensive" means) that we can't afford, corporate handouts (how's that for a socialist system? free $100k SUVs for CEOs! (yippy)
everything he does seems to be for the now and lack forethought as to how its going to effect everyone in the future (i.e. our kids). even his tax cuts aren't designed to really **** up the system til 2009 & 2010...

America is supposed to be the place where our kids are supposed to be better off than us, I don't think that Bush remembers that or even cares...

 

[PhreakV]

and i never said healthcare wasnt broken. it is, but bush is on the right track here, he is attacking the biggest problem with healthcare, which is everyone wanting the quick buck. raising taxes to make free healthcare a la canada or the former USSR will not help, it will ruin the system. competition makes better products, and government controlled systems dont have competition. unless you see DHL as a viable alternative to sending letters than the postal service.

contradict yourself much lately? question from the SATs that you had to take prior to "community college" (nice attack (bird) ) the Postal Service is to parcel delivery as socialized medicine is to healthcare. by promoting the USPS you would be a proponent of socialized medicine...

 

[RyanJayG]

just be glad you live in a country where this is all you have to worry about. earlier this year I spent a month in dictatorship Belarus. you wouldn't believe the things I've seen there, so I wont even try to explain it. Just go on arguing about how this guy can do a better job than this other guy. We have EVERYTHING better than everybody else in the world, believe it or not. We are practically the only country in the world that even gets to complain about the things you guys are complaining about. frankly I was discusted with myself for formerly having an attitude like you guys, till I saw the way many people are forced to live, how much money they make, and so forth. and there are plenty of countries worse off than Belarus.

this doesn't mean we should scrounge up all our money and distribute it throughout the world, we already send billions overseas. just try to keep this stuff in mind while you guys argue over how the health system effects your life (as an individual) because there are countries where the people have no idea of how good we have it in the good 'ol USA

 

[chkmgnt58]

read english much lately? i'm NOT a fan of the USPS. if the government allowed it, there would be private companies out there delivering letters for 20c instead of 37. not a huge difference in the financial standing of the world, but private companies are just MORE EFFECTIVE

 

[chkmgnt58]

oh and i'll compare intelligence and college references to you any day buddy

 

[PhreakV]

really every company would have to visit almost every house each day, that might lead to a HUGE increase it costs for the private companies. the 20 cent figure has almost always come with the idea that "if the postal service where a private company..." so it supposes that one company has a monopoly over the system, not that many companies could do it. many companies wouldn't/couldn't do it there are too many variables to work out between companies each day, service would suck and price would skyrocket. that's "what brown can do for you..."

 

[PhreakV]

oh and i'll compare intelligence and college references to you any day buddy

really? well, before I just lay it out there... I do hope that you "went to a better school" or "have a higher degree" I will be happy for you but that doesn't make you any smarter... I wasn't saying that you went to community college or in anyway trying to demean you (other than to show your contradiction, because despite what you meant, that's how it read...). I don't know you, and you sure as **** don't know me. enough off topic crap, why should he vote for Bush? your case seems quite a bit incomplete to me...

P.S. I hope you are Ivy League or it might not be in your best interest to lay all that out...

 

[changedman]

Yeah screw people who can't afford healthcare, let them die so that I can get lower taxes.

on that note, screw going to war. i dont care if another countries leader is killing his own people, as long as i'm alive! **** other countries. i dont want to help anyone but myself.

 

[changedman]

just be glad you live in a country where this is all you have to worry about. earlier this year I spent a month in dictatorship Belarus. you wouldn't believe the things I've seen there, so I wont even try to explain it. Just go on arguing about how this guy can do a better job than this other guy. We have EVERYTHING better than everybody else in the world, believe it or not. We are practically the only country in the world that even gets to complain about the things you guys are complaining about. frankly I was discusted with myself for formerly having an attitude like you guys, till I saw the way many people are forced to live, how much money they make, and so forth. and there are plenty of countries worse off than Belarus.

this doesn't mean we should scrounge up all our money and distribute it throughout the world, we already send billions overseas. just try to keep this stuff in mind while you guys argue over how the health system effects your life (as an individual) because there are countries where the people have no idea of how good we have it in the good 'ol USA

exactly.

 

[hazeXban]

the perfect government/private business snafu is the phone system in this country. It cost billions to set up at the infrastructure and the gov't divied up sectors to different companies. Now there is a severe monopoly on the phone system.

I am all about making more money and paying less tax. Thats why I am more republican then democrat. If one single politician could make the gov't run more efficient we wouldn't need as much tax money, and the people on welfare got jobs instead of collecting checks after a while(Even if it means working for Mc Donalds) we wouldn't need to waste tax money on certain things. I blame a few things for our contries problems.

Taxes not implemented right.
The wrong companies are regulated
Lawyers/Lawsuits
and some other stuff but I have to work...

But Ryan has the best point, no matter what this is THE best place to live in the world in many respects,( there actually are some countries out there that are pretty awesome and run well but they still aren't the United States). We got a great country no doubt about it. Just needs a lil maintenance.