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True, but in this case, for example, it doesn't matter that it's RELIGION not wanting stem cell research, just think of them as just another corporation that wants their way.+ friction said:I hear ya'...I just wish religion had no influence on politics, but it does.
wow,
it's amazing how young people view the world. (not singling anyone out here). me, personally...i'm voting for bush. why? well, with kerry's views going back and forth on things, who knows where the country would be after 4 years of his bs. yeah, kerry has a "great plan" on how to do things in iraq...hind-sight is 20/20. and about people's jobs being sent over seas...who is kerry's wife? how much of her s*** is done over seas?...but that's ok. doesn't kerry himself own companies over seas? yeah, he's contributing to our country.
and let's not forget that we're not voting for just one person. bush has had great backing by his cabinet while in office. who will kerry have? ted kennedy? great. i don't know. politics are ******-up anyway. people listen to their friends more than they listen to the facts. if everyone on here would actually do some research on the people they support, they may find out that what they think is true, usually isn't.
that's my .02
it's amazing how young people view the world. (not singling anyone out here). me, personally...i'm voting for bush. why? well, with kerry's views going back and forth on things, who knows where the country would be after 4 years of his bs. yeah, kerry has a "great plan" on how to do things in iraq...hind-sight is 20/20. and about people's jobs being sent over seas...who is kerry's wife? how much of her s*** is done over seas?...but that's ok. doesn't kerry himself own companies over seas? yeah, he's contributing to our country.
and let's not forget that we're not voting for just one person. bush has had great backing by his cabinet while in office. who will kerry have? ted kennedy? great. i don't know. politics are ******-up anyway. people listen to their friends more than they listen to the facts. if everyone on here would actually do some research on the people they support, they may find out that what they think is true, usually isn't.
that's my .02
It's funny seeing someone who's probably voting for Democrat complain about that. Democrats typically want "healthcare for all", and want to raise taxes to accomodate it.tonkabui said:don't move to canada unless you like getting the double tax. when i was in canada, i had to pay $40 on $200 worth of stuff. that's insane! 20% taxes... for what? free health care for everyone? i don't get sick, i don't go to hospital. why should i pay for someone else's health care? SUCKS!
About stem cell research: I actually just had a lengthy discussion with a girl on saturday who has her PhD in Bio Ethics. She explained to me for about an hour and half all the things behind Stem Cell research and the different types of things associated with it. I am not going to explain much since I am obviously no biologist but here were her points, which I agree with.
1) All science needs to be tested on lab animals 1st and for some reason there has been no extensive study on lab animals and we don't know much about what the effects of stem cells could be entirely.
2) There are quantaties of unused embryos in fertility clinics that can be used for stem cell research, but they will run out eventually.
3) These are the cells that make babies. You would need to almost farm baby cells to make this happen and this means you would basically be farming humans and to me that is like some F'ed up Matrix battery s*** right there.
4) This where I am going to stop and be the most confusing. There is progress in synthetic stem cells which would be a happy medium. All in all though this stem cell stuff IS A LONG ways off and should not be rushed because it has not been extensively tested by any means. And is not going to just cure a disease over night.
This was meant to just shed some info on stem cells. I think I am going to ask this girl to write me up something to show you all, because I really think a very very minute group in this country actually understands it and she explained it very well and I was completely surprised about how little I actually knew about it.
1) All science needs to be tested on lab animals 1st and for some reason there has been no extensive study on lab animals and we don't know much about what the effects of stem cells could be entirely.
2) There are quantaties of unused embryos in fertility clinics that can be used for stem cell research, but they will run out eventually.
3) These are the cells that make babies. You would need to almost farm baby cells to make this happen and this means you would basically be farming humans and to me that is like some F'ed up Matrix battery s*** right there.
4) This where I am going to stop and be the most confusing. There is progress in synthetic stem cells which would be a happy medium. All in all though this stem cell stuff IS A LONG ways off and should not be rushed because it has not been extensively tested by any means. And is not going to just cure a disease over night.
This was meant to just shed some info on stem cells. I think I am going to ask this girl to write me up something to show you all, because I really think a very very minute group in this country actually understands it and she explained it very well and I was completely surprised about how little I actually knew about it.
I was just hoping we'd get rid of the b****. When she said it, it didn't come off as a joke.M=SP^2 said:Kooldino, you shouldn't always take things so literally maybe next time you won't be as dissapointed.
Kooldino said:It's funny seeing someone who's probably voting for Democrat complain about that. Democrats typically want "healthcare for all", and want to raise taxes to accomodate it.
for the average american not buying insurance through their employer, health care costs up to 25% of their annual earnings. i was being sarcastic about canada. they have a good system and a proven one at that. if you've ever worked in a hospital environment, you'll quickly recognize how the care of a patient is now superceded by the dollar. doctors are not allowed to see patients unless they are properly insured or can properly pay for their care. it kind of goes against the whole hyppocratic oath. it's also quite interesting that most doctors are for universal health care as they see on a daily basis how the current system blows goats.
No, let's reform healthcare to be more affordable.M=SP^2 said:Yeah screw people who can't afford healthcare, let them die so that I can get lower taxes.
Wow, it IS amazing how young people view the world.Topher said:wow,
it's amazing how young people view the world. (not singling anyone out here). me, personally...i'm voting for bush. why? well, with kerry's views going back and forth on things, who knows where the country would be after 4 years of his bs. yeah, kerry has a "great plan" on how to do things in iraq...hind-sight is 20/20. and about people's jobs being sent over seas...who is kerry's wife? how much of her s*** is done over seas?...but that's ok. doesn't kerry himself own companies over seas? yeah, he's contributing to our country.
You might want to take some of your own advice.and let's not forget that we're not voting for just one person. bush has had great backing by his cabinet while in office. who will kerry have? ted kennedy? great. i don't know. politics are ******-up anyway. people listen to their friends more than they listen to the facts. if everyone on here would actually do some research on the people they support, they may find out that what they think is true, usually isn't.
As for good health care in Canada, see watch the movie Invasion of the Barbarians, and tell me its good. Yeah if you have a cold or the flu its great, but if you need major medical help you get put on waiting lists, which means if you have cancer it could take years to get treatment, which by then you will be dead anyway. Watch that movie Seriously. Also if they're care is sooo good, how come when people need major advancements in medicine to help them they come to the states? Because we have doctors who have incenctive to invent and try new things, you don't get that in socialistic nations. We need to fix our healthcare system, this is true, but Canada is by no means a good model to follow.
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Healthcare goes up in this country BECAUSE OF LAWYERS! Not the republicans or democrats. This country unlike European countries rewards Lawyers with huge pay outs if they win a malpractice suit, so these lawyers always hunt to sue somone to basically win the lottery. If doctors weren't always sued for everthing (they are doctors, not god) they wouldn't need to pay HUGE Insurance bills to cover there ass and therefore would mean healthcare companies wouldn't need to pay as much to help lessen the burden on people. Untill legislation is passed to set a cap to what lawyers and in turn people can get in lawsuits this problem will exist forever.
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Healthcare goes up in this country BECAUSE OF LAWYERS! Not the republicans or democrats. This country unlike European countries rewards Lawyers with huge pay outs if they win a malpractice suit, so these lawyers always hunt to sue somone to basically win the lottery. If doctors weren't always sued for everthing (they are doctors, not god) they wouldn't need to pay HUGE Insurance bills to cover there ass and therefore would mean healthcare companies wouldn't need to pay as much to help lessen the burden on people. Untill legislation is passed to set a cap to what lawyers and in turn people can get in lawsuits this problem will exist forever.
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lol...I'm guessing you are strapping on some s*** waders at this point.slug420 said:So here is your chance, try to swing me.
right, but it typically costs much less. IN general, it would cost more than the absurd taxes.tonkabui said:for the average american not buying insurance through their employer, health care costs up to 25% of their annual earnings.
I agree with you there, but there's some things I don't like about "free healthcare for everyone". But that would be a long discussion.i was being sarcastic about canada. they have a good system and a proven one at that. if you've ever worked in a hospital environment, you'll quickly recognize how the care of a patient is now superceded by the dollar. doctors are not allowed to see patients unless they are properly insured or can properly pay for their care. it kind of goes against the whole hyppocratic oath. it's also quite interesting that most doctors are for universal health care as they see on a daily basis how the current system blows goats.
Dosen't the recalled Governor Davis get some of the blame for the power melt down? After all it was he who prevented the construction of new powerplants due to environmental concerns. I mean even a tree hugging, lesbian, feminazi wants blow dry her hair.tonkabui said:look how well the privatizing of the energy companies in california worked. hell, prices were so good, people were paying nearly double what they normally did just because they liked their power companies so much. ah, yes... bush... he's the man.
I suppose it was George Bush who personally caused all the rolling brown outs and the rate hikes because of inadequate supply. Gee the Dems had not a thing to do with it.
"look how well the privatizing of the energy companies in california worked. hell, prices were so good, people were paying nearly double what they normally did just because they liked their power companies so much. ah, yes... bush... he's the man."
please people, DO RESEARCH on things before you speak. the california energy crisis was caused by the DEMOCRATIC formor governor puting price caps on the cost of electricity in 1996. this greatly raised the demand, who the hell wouldnt want cheap electricity right? well here in 2000+, theres hella lot more people, and since the electricity companies arent making so much money now, they cant expand their production capabilities, thus the shortage. trying to blame the freakin shortage on bush, real damn smart. it is for the eneducated buffoons ranting their s*** about stuff like this that i hate kerry so much. go ahead and move to canada. i dont care is ross perot was our president we're better off than any country in the world. assholes think that saying they'll move means anything, get the hell out of my country then!!!!
on second thought, everything was bush's fault. i love kerry. i think that moving away is the perfect solution to everything. furthermore, everything i said last month about the war in iraq, i decided that due to the unpopularity of my opinion that my opinion has changed. i did not vote for the resolution which i voted for. that was my alter-ego. whats that? i'm down in the polls? well then i did vote for ending saddam's reign of terror!!! now had i been president i would have done it differently, i'd ahve gone to the UN first. whats taht? bush did go there first? well then i would have gotten more allies then just us going in. whats that? there were several countries in iraq? well damn then i would have done it the exact same way. so now i'll just confuse everyone and make them think i'm insulting bush. hahahaha i'm sure to win!!!!
please people, DO RESEARCH on things before you speak. the california energy crisis was caused by the DEMOCRATIC formor governor puting price caps on the cost of electricity in 1996. this greatly raised the demand, who the hell wouldnt want cheap electricity right? well here in 2000+, theres hella lot more people, and since the electricity companies arent making so much money now, they cant expand their production capabilities, thus the shortage. trying to blame the freakin shortage on bush, real damn smart. it is for the eneducated buffoons ranting their s*** about stuff like this that i hate kerry so much. go ahead and move to canada. i dont care is ross perot was our president we're better off than any country in the world. assholes think that saying they'll move means anything, get the hell out of my country then!!!!
on second thought, everything was bush's fault. i love kerry. i think that moving away is the perfect solution to everything. furthermore, everything i said last month about the war in iraq, i decided that due to the unpopularity of my opinion that my opinion has changed. i did not vote for the resolution which i voted for. that was my alter-ego. whats that? i'm down in the polls? well then i did vote for ending saddam's reign of terror!!! now had i been president i would have done it differently, i'd ahve gone to the UN first. whats taht? bush did go there first? well then i would have gotten more allies then just us going in. whats that? there were several countries in iraq? well damn then i would have done it the exact same way. so now i'll just confuse everyone and make them think i'm insulting bush. hahahaha i'm sure to win!!!!
Interesting.hazeXban said:As for good health care in Canada, see watch the movie Invasion of the Barbarians, and tell me its good. Yeah if you have a cold or the flu its great, but if you need major medical help you get put on waiting lists, which means if you have cancer it could take years to get treatment, which by then you will be dead anyway. Watch that movie Seriously. Also if they're care is sooo good, how come when people need major advancements in medicine to help them they come to the states? Because we have doctors who have incenctive to invent and try new things, you don't get that in socialistic nations. We need to fix our healthcare system, this is true, but Canada is by no means a good model to follow.
Now this has to be a load of scabala! I have three surgeon friends who hate socialized medicine. They have on many occasions voiced their disgust with such a system. It was like on Mad TV, The government does such a fine job with the DMV why dont we let them run the health care system to. Not the most authoritative of quotes but hey it was true.tonkabui said:it's also quite interesting that most doctors are for universal health care as they see on a daily basis how the current system blows goats.
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