Has the MS3 dethroned SRT4?

[kamon8404]

No one said that you can't make the MSP faster. The thread was, has the MS3 dethroned the srt4? And so far the answer is no! JDSAM and Pirana it takes money to tune, how much did it cost? Plus we are talking about out of the box cars. Once you start putting afte market parts on a car all bets are off. I think doing races from a role is no way to tell which is better. Most of the time the person doing the honking gets the jump. Racing from a stop is the only way to do it. It does no good to have a fast car if you can't launch it.

How could you say that aftermarket is off? Especially, if you bought your stock car for way less then they bought theirs for. If they bought theirs for 20k and you only paid 13k for yours. You should be able to dump 8k into it and see what dollar for dollar gets you. You need to look at the platform you get for the dollar to dollar figure. If I bought mine for 13 and I beat a car that costs 8k more, thats just embarrasing for them, and I would hope since they paid so much more than they would be spanking the pants off of me.

 

[Hughes412]

That's why I let them honk. Racing from a stop only tells which car has traction and driver variable on launching. Tuning didn't cost me anything since I tuned it.

I thought I heard you did it. That saves a tone of money. Few people can do that.

 

[Hughes412]

How could you say that aftermarket is off? Especially, if you bought your stock car for way less then they bought theirs for. If they bought theirs for 20k and you only paid 13k for yours. You should be able to dump 8k into it and see what dollar for dollar gets you. You need to look at the platform you get for the dollar to dollar figure. If I bought mine for 13 and I beat a car that costs 8k more, thats just embarrasing for them, and I would hope since they paid so much more than they would be spanking the pants off of me.

No it don't work like that. So you pay 100k for a supercar, whats to say you dont go out and get a RX7 and put 50k in it. You'd beat the supercar all day in a race. But that still doesn't mean you car is better. That just means you spent a lot of money in it.

 

[WetsuitxNinja]

No one said that you can't make the MSP faster. The thread was, has the MS3 dethroned the srt4? And so far the answer is no! JDSAM and Pirana it takes money to tune, how much did it cost? Plus we are talking about out of the box cars. Once you start putting afte market parts on a car all bets are off. I think doing races from a role is no way to tell which is better. Most of the time the person doing the honking gets the jump. Racing from a stop is the only way to do it. It does no good to have a fast car if you can't launch it.

Ok ive read this whole thread and half the posts in here probably made me stupider for reading them.

How many times a day do you race from a stop? Most the time I get the urge to jump on the gas is on windey roads or on the freeway. You dont believe people with first hand experience with the ms3 and srt4.

Racing cars to see which is better?? Only thing thats showing off is power. If thats all you care about screw both the ms3 and srt4, go buy an old muscle car and supercharge it. It will be a lot cheaper than both and you can drive yourself straight off a cliff faster too (first) Jk about that part but really, but damn you sound like you just hate the world, drink a beer and cheer up man.

 

[Wicked_Alien]

This post Will probably make me stupid but
the Srt-4 is the faster car.The MS3 is a nice car for the money but it wont be faster than an srt-4 with equal drivers. It will be very close but slower. The differance will be balance and the telepathic handling that mazda seems to put in all of thier cars(more rewarding). I also would like to point out that Most srt-4's at this point in time will be modded, so the chances that you will race a stock one will be slim. I love mazda's and srt-4's as I have owned both. My next car purchase will be another SRT-4 as nice as the MS3 is I chose the raw power and easy tunabilty of the SRT-4 plus they are alot cheaper used now. just my .02

 

[Hughes412]

Ok ive read this whole thread and half the posts in here probably made me stupider for reading them.

How many times a day do you race from a stop? Most the time I get the urge to jump on the gas is on windey roads or on the freeway. You dont believe people with first hand experience with the ms3 and srt4.

Racing cars to see which is better?? Only thing thats showing off is power. If thats all you care about screw both the ms3 and srt4, go buy an old muscle car and supercharge it. It will be a lot cheaper than both and you can drive yourself straight off a cliff faster too (first) Jk about that part but really, but damn you sound like you just hate the world, drink a beer and cheer up man.

YOU READ ALL OF IT?!! Yea I wouldn't have done that.(first)
I've already done the mucle car thing, I think my next toy will be a late 70s to 83 Vette. I love the coke bottle cars.

But as for the race question, I always race from a stop. That's the only way you will find the faster and better car. How many Profesional race car drivers (besided the multi lap ones) start from a role? None! I don't see spending 25k for a car that is only good from a 2nd gear role. That and its not a fare race to do it from you cars sweet spot because that might not be the other cars. From a stop its even and both drivers have a fair chance.

 

[Pirana]

I used to agree with your statement...specially when I used to own an AWD car. "Oh you dont want to race from a stop, what can hang?" Well, that is why there are different race-categories...to equal them. All FWD cars will act different than AWD and RWD. So the equilizer for us non-professional "racer" is the race from a role. In this races the true power of a car can be shown...not how well it grips or launches from a stop. That is why most people are more impressed with the trap speed in the 1/4 mile than the time it posted. Of course this is all my opinion.

 

[CTGrey02]

Racing from a roll is lame. Learn how to handle your car, if you cant launch properly it's a testament to your lacking skill. Lastly... take it to the track where it belongs. People's lives are at stake on the street.

 

[Pirana]

we do take it to the track....as a matter of fact that is where we are heading today....as for lack of skills, I dont think so. If you are not on a track, races from a stop depend in a lot of variables and if you have been paired with an AWD you stand no chance, no matter how good you are PERIOD. You might catch him, if you have enough power, maybe, after 2 miles. And you are lying if you can say you have never put the foot to the metal on a public street.(poke)

 

[Donas64]

I think all of us at one time or another especially given our penchant for zoom zoom have let it rip up publice streets. I know I have (not that my P5 can get going very fast being bone stock) but you just have to do it in smart conditions. I see nothing wrong with nailing the gas pedal on a wide open interstate where the nearest car is hundreds of feet ahead of you as long as you back off well before you get close. The only people you put in danger is are you and your wallet if there is a cop hiding in the bushes. And also I make it a point NEVER to drive fast if I'm carrying passengers cuz their lives are on the line also. I drive like a grandma when my wifes in the car. But when she's not.......

 

[Mspeed3]

My cousin has a srt 4 and the day after he bought it it had overheating problems. Like my dad says Dodge has come out with some incredible engines, but the ingenuity ends there. their interiors are cheap and reliability lacks. Back in the the muscle car days my dad said they are tin cans, and today it's the same story. As far as racing the discussion is a matter of opinion. The motors are totally diff and the intercoolers are set up differently. I know my car is well built, reliable, and fun. I think the MS3 will hold it's value better and maybe it will go up. These cars are limited production and on top of the sport compact hill. I don't regret my decision in buying one and I look foward to driving it everyday. Also I'm glad to be a part of the mazda community again.

 

[CTGrey02]

we do take it to the track....as a matter of fact that is where we are heading today....as for lack of skills, I dont think so. If you are not on a track, races from a stop depend in a lot of variables and if you have been paired with an AWD you stand no chance, no matter how good you are PERIOD. You might catch him, if you have enough power, maybe, after 2 miles. And you are lying if you can say you have never put the foot to the metal on a public street.(poke)

I've never had ANY problems lining up against Evo's, STi's or any other AWD cars that I've been lined up against at the track. Skill does have a lot to do with it. Reaction time, proper tire temp, proper PSI in the tires, proper suspension set up, gearing and RPM. Every tenth saved in the 60' saves you 2 tenths at the end of the 1/4 mile.

 

[Hughes412]

LOL, your car will never go up in value, never!

My cousin has a srt 4 and the day after he bought it it had overheating problems. Like my dad says Dodge has come out with some incredible engines, but the ingenuity ends there. their interiors are cheap and reliability lacks. Back in the the muscle car days my dad said they are tin cans, and today it's the same story. As far as racing the discussion is a matter of opinion. The motors are totally diff and the intercoolers are set up differently. I know my car is well built, reliable, and fun. I think the MS3 will hold it's value better and maybe it will go up. These cars are limited production and on top of the sport compact hill. I don't regret my decision in buying one and I look foward to driving it everyday. Also I'm glad to be a part of the mazda community again.

 

[Kansei]

LOL, your car will never go up in value, never!

My love for Mazda borders on psychotic, but even I know that these aren't Ferarris we're driving. The only chance they ever have of going up in value is in 40-50 years when our rice-mobiles are considered "classics".

 

[Donas64]

LOL, your car will never go up in value, never!

I don't know, at the rate people are blowing their MSP motors, there might only be 2 or 3 of them in the future and those will be worth some serious cash to collectors.... as long as they don't go WOT in 5th gear!

(peep)


Just messing with the MSP owners. I got nothing but love for ya'll!

 

[Donas64]

My love for Mazda borders on psychotic, but even I know that these aren't Ferarris we're driving. The only chance they ever have of going up in value is in 40-50 years when our rice-mobiles are considered "classics".

I can se it now at barons auto auction, a red 2007 MS3 with Mazdas LEGENDARY 2.3 liter disi turbo. I predict 6 figure bids!

 

[vindication]

yeah 6 figures like $1000.00

 

[Donas64]

yeah 6 figures like $1000.00

That was quite funny!

 

[WTF MATE]

Hondas Dethrone All! Integra FTW(first)

 

[njshift]

Many of you are misunderstood on how the srt-4 handles.
I suggest those who are uninformed check some of the srt-4's racing history in autox, road racing, and rally.

The straight line performance is what the srt-4 in known for only because the majority of owners drag race them.

I'm not here to criticize your car, just interested in learning more about it. I eventually plan on picking up a used speed 3 sometime down the road as a daily driver. I'm a fan of any high horsepower fwd no matter who manufactures it.