hard decision ,what intake should I get??

[desperado-c]

Mazda does not warrant hydrolock that's my point. It may not be stated at all times but it is implied.

I have heard a lot about implied warranties and nothing about implied exclusions. I don't think they exist.

I know for a fact it was explicitly stated in my MS Cai documentation.

Also most people put on the MS-CAI after delivery so even the limited powertrain warranty doesn't apply.

Agreed, I'm simply saying there is a case where the general warranty does apply and that without a written exclusion, hydrolock should be covered.

And even when it does apply, there are conditions. One is 'normal use' as stated in the above page you quoted. 'Normal use' covers a whole lot of situations - driving through high water/abuse/neglect/ etc. ....

Driving through a big puddle or lake and sucking water into the engine is not normal use. Now an insurance company may or may not cover that, but like I said before, that's a whole different matter.

If the general warranty applies and there is no written exclusion provided to the buyer, then the dealer/Mazda would have to rely on the normal use provision. Have you ever heard of a water crossing? There are several right near my house. At least one has a gate that closes when the water is too high. I'm not sure that when the gate is up the water is always low enough to avoid hydrolock. Similarly, we get flash floods. There might well be dips in the road that will temporarily fill up with water that is not dangerous to cross, but could still cause hydrolock. In both cases, a car could safely go across the water and it would be "normal use." It just so happens that it could also cause hydrolock with a CAI.

 

[bbrich57]

IIRC, the install/warranty sheet that came w/my MS CAI stated that injesting water into the engine was not covered. Basically all the green warranty covers is defects in manufacturing. Anything else and it's up to the whim of your dealer and the regional service director.
Mazda, and especially their lawyers, do a very good job of leaving things gray so they can be determined by whomever, whenever.
If you're modding you car, expect to void parts of your warranty. That's just how it is. Either you have faith, or you don't in which case you shouldn't mod until your car is out of warranty. But who wants to START modding a 5 year old car?

BTW: Here's are pics of the splash shield that comes w/the MS CAI.

I have had no problems w/it so far, but too I live in Texas. We do get rain and we do have water overpasses, which I don't usually have to deal with in my daily drive.

 

[Betelgeuse]

I have heard a lot about implied warranties Similarly, we get flash floods. There might well be dips in the road that will temporarily fill up with water that is not dangerous to cross, but could still cause hydrolock. In both cases, a car could safely go across the water and it would be "normal use." It just so happens that it could also cause hydrolock with a CAI.

It also says in the ms cai documentation that the owner should remove the CAI before traversing deep water, hahaha. Don't believe me? Maybe someone can post it up. The situation you described above is something an insurance company will take care of under 'accidental flood' damage (as long as they're cool with a CAI or unaware of it)

 

[bbrich57]

It also says in the ms cai documentation that the owner should remove the CAI before traversing deep water, hahaha. Don't believe me? Maybe someone can post it up. The situation you described above is something an insurance company will take care of under 'accidental flood' damage (as long as they're cool with a CAI or unaware of it)

Under instruction #3-6 'Caution: If you anticipate traversing "deep" water (but deep is not defined,) remove this sytem and replace it with the original equipment intake system. All warranties are null and void if water is injested into the intake system.'

 

[ericrapp]

Wow lots alot of info for mr. wisnia. nice pictures. I chose mscai because in my experience I've added cai to most all my N/A cars and it was just at the top my list. more, cooler air is always a good thing. I have never experienced water in the intake tract so never considered sri. Thanks for the bigger picture. I hope whichever style you use, will add the performance you seek good luck

 

[bbrich57]

Oh, sorry, eric. I didn't see the whole thread and did not see that you had already posted a pic. No offense intended.

 

[ericrapp]

Oh, sorry, eric. I didn't see the whole thread and did not see that you had already posted a pic. No offense intended.

cool cool Seriously pictures are great help

 

[ericrapp]

I have hard time choosing what intake should I get .I wana get mscai because of warranty but Im affraid that it might soak water i live in Ny.. maybe sri is better?? any ideas?? car is my daily everything stock for now...

Did you make a decision yet?

 

[wisniaPl]

afer seing picture I not sure because of rains we had this weekend but I will go with mscai I Just cant submerge it and everything should be fine because driving in the rain wont suck the water in...thx guys you were very helpful

 

[2ManyCars]

afer seing picture I not sure because of rains we had this weekend but I will go with mscai I Just cant submerge it and everything should be fine because driving in the rain wont suck the water in...thx guys you were very helpful

If you are still a bit worried about normal driving in rain then you can get some extra protection with an Injen Hydroshield.

 

[wisniaPl]

where i can get it?? my mom have injen cai in her honda accord v6 car sounds sick she never got any problems....so far..but Im just worried about driving in the rain

 

[2ManyCars]

I got mine from their website. They have an online shopping link. Get the larger size.

 

[D_Roc7822]

I had a CAI on my P5 for about 1.5-2 years and never had a problem with it. Never really drove it in the snow or winter time. But other than that it was my daily from Late March-Late Nov. The only thing that really bothers me is seeing the pic of the filter almost hanging out of the bumper lol (scarcasm). But then I got to thinking and with the hydo shield and all the moldings that should cover up all that made me feel a lil better. But then also got to thinking.. with the hydo shield and everything, doesnt that defeat the purpose of having a CAI? Cause you'd be robbing the intake of the cooler air that it would be getting because you'd have this huge shield on it.

 

[Betelgeuse]

The hydroshield will only protect the filter from splashes, not deep water. So puddles should be avoided regardless.

 

[Sierra117]

First of all, if you remember anything from your driver's ed, you shouldn't be driving through massive puddles, regardless.

And since it seems on this forum that the plural of anecdote=data, I had a CAI on my BMW that all but hung out in the open year for four years, drove it in snow, rain, sleet, hail, whatever, and never once got hydrolock. Even when the car was underneath 14 inches of snow, it was fine. And based on where the CAI is on the MS3 compared to where it was on the BMW, the MS3 has a lot less chance of geting the lock.

This topic=dead horse.

We should start a new rule. Anyone who opens a starts a thread on hydrolock or what CAI should I buy should get a permaban.

 

[voiceKoil]

The hydroshield will only protect the filter from splashes, not deep water. So puddles should be avoided regardless.

Just to make a point here, what kind of splashes are going to be ripping through the bumper and through the splash gaurds already under the car? To me its just a really stupid feature, because truely, theres no water getting in there, let alone splashes that would call for a sheild...(shrug)

 

[Betelgeuse]

Just to make a point here, what kind of splashes are going to be ripping through the bumper and through the splash gaurds already under the car? To me its just a really stupid feature, because truely, theres no water getting in there, let alone splashes that would call for a sheild...(shrug)

Water still gets through that splash guard under the car. Maybe not enough to warrant a hydroshield but it still does.

 

[Betelgeuse]

We should start a new rule. Anyone who opens a starts a thread on hydrolock or what CAI should I buy should get a permaban.

The ms cai is one of the lowest CAIs I've ever seen. Your beamer must've been lowered a good bit. Also if this topic offends you that much, don't read it. The chance of hydrolock is very real for some more than others.

 

[wisniaPl]

i openned this tread because ms3 is my daily and Iwill drive it all year around and I dont know if mscai isnt to low and other stuff, im really woried about that because it isnt worth to damage 24k car because of cai I lowe the sound of cain and it raining and stuff in Long Island area and every day im on sri side sorry that i opened this tread but I was looking for help and I got it

 

[ericrapp]

i openned this tread because ms3 is my daily and Iwill drive it all year around and I dont know if mscai isnt to low and other stuff, im really woried about that because it isnt worth to damage 24k car because of cai I lowe the sound of cain and it raining and stuff in Long Island area and every day im on sri side sorry that i opened this tread but I was looking for help and I got it

Wisnia its cool. thats just how facts and opinion mix it up in the forum Do not be sorry. good question! Made me think and thats a good thing for sure