SpoolinMsp
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Yeah I decided to come out when you did. I just thought id follow
Guess what we have to test???
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been surfing all day...
its not cool to jump on vendors when:
a) they are just prototyping parts
b) the parts are for a small group ie. MSP
c) MS USA is looking at releasing factory support
its cases like this that piss off/scare away vendors. i know you realize this though.
its not cool to jump on vendors when:
a) they are just prototyping parts
b) the parts are for a small group ie. MSP
c) MS USA is looking at releasing factory support
its cases like this that piss off/scare away vendors. i know you realize this though.
on topic-- i think a smic intercooler definitly would be a great alternative but before pricing is realeased-- 90% of the people that are gonna opt for the smic will be specifically b/c it should be a lot cheaper than fmix
off topic-- deleting this thread wouldnt be a bad idea, you could sum up all the useful in here in a single short post when u finally agree on the logistics of it
off topic-- deleting this thread wouldnt be a bad idea, you could sum up all the useful in here in a single short post when u finally agree on the logistics of it
There are alot of reasons that many folks might opt for an upgraded SMIC over a FMIC. How 'bout these two:
(1) much less chance of a voided factory warranty
(2) FMIC will affect engine cooling system effectiveness
Regarding the warranty: Anybody ever consider what a 48 mo/ 50K mile factory warranty is worth? At least $2k. So when you go shopping for a FMIC, you might want to do the math and add that $2k to the cost of it.
(1) much less chance of a voided factory warranty
(2) FMIC will affect engine cooling system effectiveness
Regarding the warranty: Anybody ever consider what a 48 mo/ 50K mile factory warranty is worth? At least $2k. So when you go shopping for a FMIC, you might want to do the math and add that $2k to the cost of it.
******* ricer mentality "Bigger is Better"SpoolinMsp said:
".......i want nAwZ man, two bottles, the BIG ones...."
do u have this downpipe to say it's not worth it???
have u driven a car with this downpipe on???
no? then STFU.
i have it, and it's 100 times better than stock.
3 inch is too big for our cars, we need backpressure.
even with this downpipe after i put a hi-flow cat in, the response got better.
low backpressure = bad bottom end, and in the city bottom end is what u need most of the time.
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I would buy an SMIC if, the price was right.
But $600 for the Circuit Sport without hard piping is way to much. if the Mazdaspeed SMIC is a cheaper price than, that i would get one but i'm talking like $300-$400 price range for an upgraded SMIC. i don't think that will happen though so it's looking like when i upgrade it will be an FMIC. i mean why would you pay $600 for an SMIC when there are two kit's out on the market for under $1,000. dont take this wrong i'm just stating how i fell about it i'm not bashing in anyway i,do think a SMIC is a good idea but,at the price of the Circuit Sport SMIC for example i just don't think it's worth it.(blah) (blah) (blah)
But $600 for the Circuit Sport without hard piping is way to much. if the Mazdaspeed SMIC is a cheaper price than, that i would get one but i'm talking like $300-$400 price range for an upgraded SMIC. i don't think that will happen though so it's looking like when i upgrade it will be an FMIC. i mean why would you pay $600 for an SMIC when there are two kit's out on the market for under $1,000. dont take this wrong i'm just stating how i fell about it i'm not bashing in anyway i,do think a SMIC is a good idea but,at the price of the Circuit Sport SMIC for example i just don't think it's worth it.(blah) (blah) (blah)
To add on what victor is saying. Too big is bad for flow. The t25 is not exactly a monster turbo, anything over 3" is going to start effecting flow. Going too big will significantly reduce low end power and will only marginally affect top end. 2.5 inches is probably the biggest you would want to go with a t25. Especially one with such a small outlet.
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thanks i didn't really want to read some 3 pages of BS. So since it is made by the same company then i'm guessing it will be the same price? i already said how i feel about that so good day sir's and, good luck with the SMIC!(band)Dr.Sound said:
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600+ is ridiculous for a SMIC core like mspeed said Id buy one if the price was right
SpoolinMsp
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to Dr. Sound, you need to back up just a little bit with the hole ricer thing. ya im sure im a ricer when your driving the same damn car as me. Oh yeah, ill race you any day with my 150 shot nawz!! gimme a break! everyone was all over me at first but then a few got the point and seen the estimated price tag and said yeah right (like me).
and to whats his face, just a question? how do you already have this downpipe just curious. and i beg to differ about the whole 3" is bad for our cars cus its not! you take your 2.25 setup and ill take my 3 setup and we will see whos faster and runs better in the long run!!!
i bet you all think im a prick!!!!
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and to whats his face, just a question? how do you already have this downpipe just curious. and i beg to differ about the whole 3" is bad for our cars cus its not! you take your 2.25 setup and ill take my 3 setup and we will see whos faster and runs better in the long run!!!
i bet you all think im a prick!!!!
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I'll just assume "whats his face" is me. Let's put it this way, my civic with a t3/t4 turbo had a 3.5" custom turboback. while the 3.5 inch has real nice, throaty sound to it, the 3" turboback we replaced with yielded better low end power and wasn't noticably changed on the top. the t3/t4 turbo is much larger than our t25, with such a small turbo flow is going to be a priority. When exhaust exits the turbo in theory it should flow smoothly out to the exit point. If you go too large you get "exhuast buffeting" which is when the exhaust doesn't freely exit and bounces around in the piping. Running a 3" inch downpipe (which is more accurately a midpipe) doesn't make sense if your not going to replace the s-pipe and your gonna keep the stock catback. It's like having a regular straw but having both ends with a coffee stirrer/straw.
3" inch turboback is OK, but I think 2.5 inches is going to be the most effective. I'm not really a fan of the 2.25 inch, not because I think its too small, but that extremely close to the size of the stock piping, which in that case I would just delete the cats. As for the lets see who's faster??? I turned 14.2 with 2 10 inch subs in the back and a boost leak, and ran the 2nd fastest protege time at protegefest also with subs, 2 cats, and a boost leak. Anyways long story short, i just think a 2.5 is going to be more effective and you could spend the extra cash you saved on a 2.5 on something else that makes the car go fast.
3" inch turboback is OK, but I think 2.5 inches is going to be the most effective. I'm not really a fan of the 2.25 inch, not because I think its too small, but that extremely close to the size of the stock piping, which in that case I would just delete the cats. As for the lets see who's faster??? I turned 14.2 with 2 10 inch subs in the back and a boost leak, and ran the 2nd fastest protege time at protegefest also with subs, 2 cats, and a boost leak. Anyways long story short, i just think a 2.5 is going to be more effective and you could spend the extra cash you saved on a 2.5 on something else that makes the car go fast.
SpoolinMsp said:
spoolinmsp.....fyi have you ever even seen your t25 turbo outlet for the exhaust?
it's only 2.25 if that!!!!! and the outlet for the intercooler is 2''. why in the hell would you need anything bigger than 2.5 in diameter? thats why no one has seen any gains from making a bigger ''s'' pipe, the stock one fits the turbo perfectly already!!!!!!!everyone knows that air is stubborn and needs to be pushed or sucked in to move..... i.e ram air or f/i......when you put piping larger than the turbo's exhaust outlet on the turbo it will slow down the velocity of air flow. period!!!!! if the intercooler pipes/down pipe's are bigger than the turbo inlet or outlet it doesnt make the air move any quicker......if anything the air has more space to expand and will lose its velocity trying to expand. this will slow down the air flow or velocity through the pipes.
alot of people think...oh.... ill throw on a 3'' down pipe on my msp with a stock t25 and ill gain 12336552256 hp because no b/p. hahahahaha keep thinking that buddy. (dunno)
****notorious****as you posted about about runing 2.25 and how it's close to stock.....hahahah
thats what im running on my car! shhhhhhhh dont tell! i have'nt told anyone.....completely factory size piping just got rid of everything in the system except my hks muffler. (yes)
works for me......
it's only 2.25 if that!!!!! and the outlet for the intercooler is 2''. why in the hell would you need anything bigger than 2.5 in diameter? thats why no one has seen any gains from making a bigger ''s'' pipe, the stock one fits the turbo perfectly already!!!!!!!everyone knows that air is stubborn and needs to be pushed or sucked in to move..... i.e ram air or f/i......when you put piping larger than the turbo's exhaust outlet on the turbo it will slow down the velocity of air flow. period!!!!! if the intercooler pipes/down pipe's are bigger than the turbo inlet or outlet it doesnt make the air move any quicker......if anything the air has more space to expand and will lose its velocity trying to expand. this will slow down the air flow or velocity through the pipes.
alot of people think...oh.... ill throw on a 3'' down pipe on my msp with a stock t25 and ill gain 12336552256 hp because no b/p. hahahahaha keep thinking that buddy. (dunno)
****notorious****as you posted about about runing 2.25 and how it's close to stock.....hahahah
thats what im running on my car! shhhhhhhh dont tell! i have'nt told anyone.....completely factory size piping just got rid of everything in the system except my hks muffler. (yes) works for me......
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you take your 2.25 setup and ill take my 3 setup and we will see whos faster and runs better in the long run!!!
hey, spoodinmsp no flames intended...but im up for this challange! except im running smaller than ''2.25'' exhaust on my msp set up. ill got first.....14.1 @ 100 mph @ 9psi on stock p5 rims and tires with full int/jack/spare ect.....
hey, spoodinmsp no flames intended...but im up for this challange! except im running smaller than ''2.25'' exhaust on my msp set up. ill got first.....14.1 @ 100 mph @ 9psi on stock p5 rims and tires with full int/jack/spare ect.....
"i have it, and it's 100 times better than stock.
3 inch is too big for our cars, we need backpressure.
even with this downpipe after i put a hi-flow cat in, the response got better.
low backpressure = bad bottom end, and in the city bottom end is what u need most of the time."
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Finally! Thanks Dr. Sound. The whole time I've been on this board I've been wondering why peeps are so fired up about a 3" exhaust for the MSP and have even mentioned it a couple of times. I'm not modding mine any further just yet, but the exhaust will be the next area I work on, and I'm sure as hell not going any bigger than 2.5". Exhaust velocity=better scavenging=more total torque (to a point).
My '79 Trans Am with a cammed/ported/polished 462 c.i. V-8 runs better overall with dual 2.5's than with dual 3 inch pipes. I don't have enough cam and airflow for 3" on that car. If dual 2.5's can work so well on a 7.7 liter engine, why on earth would we need a single 3" for a mildly boosted and mildly cammed 2.0 liter?!?! I for one don't plan on spending all my driving time at 5500rpm and up. My .02 anyway.<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->
3 inch is too big for our cars, we need backpressure.
even with this downpipe after i put a hi-flow cat in, the response got better.
low backpressure = bad bottom end, and in the city bottom end is what u need most of the time."
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Finally! Thanks Dr. Sound. The whole time I've been on this board I've been wondering why peeps are so fired up about a 3" exhaust for the MSP and have even mentioned it a couple of times. I'm not modding mine any further just yet, but the exhaust will be the next area I work on, and I'm sure as hell not going any bigger than 2.5". Exhaust velocity=better scavenging=more total torque (to a point).
My '79 Trans Am with a cammed/ported/polished 462 c.i. V-8 runs better overall with dual 2.5's than with dual 3 inch pipes. I don't have enough cam and airflow for 3" on that car. If dual 2.5's can work so well on a 7.7 liter engine, why on earth would we need a single 3" for a mildly boosted and mildly cammed 2.0 liter?!?! I for one don't plan on spending all my driving time at 5500rpm and up. My .02 anyway.<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->
