Group Buy: 505 Intake Manifold Round 2

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I spent a ton of time finding this. I am actually kind of ashamed of myself, but I bookmarked it and also saved the photo to my pc.

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?123691754-505-Intake-Manifold-COMPLETED!&p=5644663&viewfull=1#post5644663

This picture shows a 33 whp and 32 wtq gain, which is absolutely phenomenal and totally worth $800, but dyno's are not very trustworthy. What's particularly odd about this picture is torque drops off like a brick at 5.5k rpms. If he let off the throttle it would completely disappear (I've done a few dyno runs of my own), so it appears the tuner let off the throttle just a bit or there was some other tuning malfunction. The question is why. And then if he did let off, he appeared to to do the same for the stock IM but about 200 rpm earlier, so it's hard to take this graph seriously. The only thing we can say for sure is the area under the curve is better on the 505.

The best gain seems to be around 4500, but then what is the difference between the blue and red line and why does the red line take a massive dip there? Too many variables, too many questions.

That definitely seems like serious gains, but I think most of these gains are from removing the butterflies and chamber walls of a stock intake and giving the throttle a straight path to the engine, when it needs to flow most.

After spending a very regretful amount of money on a dyno on my C6, and seeing drag strip results that did no correlate, I switched to drag strip only tuning. I simply don't trust dyno's. There are too many variables, too many liars, and not enough airflow to truly emulate a real world situation.

It looks like 505 has a nice product, and I've put a lot of thought and research into it, but I think I'll hold off on this.

dyno operator started letting off at 5500 he misunderstood rich when he said let off at 6500. I've been running one of these manifolds for over a year and I can tell you this my s*** pulls hard to redline every time there is no drop off in power. It keeps making power until I shift.
 
2 weeks I should put my deposit in, my parents still didnt pay me my money they owe me yet. lol it sucks.
 
1. Ricktalife - (EGR yes) coated black *DEPOSIT PAID*
2. Tzar177 - (EGR yes) - coated flat black *DEPOSIT PAID*
3. protegebuddy - (EGR yes) - coated extreme chrome *DEPOSIT PAID*
4. jbrewer4639 - (EGR yes) - uncoated *DEPOSIT PAID*
5. Justanothermp5 - (EGR yes) - coated *DEPOSIT PAID*
6. J_Naoto - (EGR yes) - coated extreme chrome *DEPOSIT PAID*
7. Amdeus - (EGR yes) - coated black *DEPOSIT PAID*
8. theEZV - (EGR yes) - coated black *DEPOSIT PAID*
9. Spiced MSP - (EGR yes) - coated black *DEPOSIT PAID*
10. needmspspeed - (EGR yes) - coated gloss black
11. Iggypop - (EGR yes) - coated
12. fuadmsp - (EGR yes) - coated
13. scmp3 - (EGR yes) - coated
14. Destineal - (EGR yes)
15. Outlawstar98 - (EGR yes) - coated extreme chrome
16. ricky - (EGR yes) - coated
17. boostdprotegelx - (EGR no) - uncoated
18. paniaguae640 - (EGR yes)
19. Silverspeed2015 - (EGR yes) - coated black
20. Youngblud - (EGR yes) - coated black
21. msp2003.5_nick - (EGR no) - uncoated
22. 03.5MSP - (EGR no) - uncoated
23. 95blkprobe - (EGR no)
24. YellowMazdaPR5 - (EGR no)
25. 719prottege - (EGR yes) - coated black
26. turboj1 - (EGR no) - coated black
27. cleverfrog - (EGR yes) - uncoated (partial dep. paid)
28. mspHtown - (EGR yes) - coated extreme chrome
29.mazdaspeedp - (EGR yes) - Coated metallic red
 
Since production has already started there are only 28 spots available for this batch. We are going to start a waiting list and if anyone drops out of the GB, the waiting list will have priority.

1. Ricktalife - (EGR yes) coated black *DEPOSIT PAID*
2. Tzar177 - (EGR yes) - coated flat black *DEPOSIT PAID*
3. protegebuddy - (EGR yes) - coated extreme chrome *DEPOSIT PAID*
4. jbrewer4639 - (EGR yes) - uncoated *DEPOSIT PAID*
5. Justanothermp5 - (EGR yes) - coated *DEPOSIT PAID*
6. J_Naoto - (EGR yes) - coated extreme chrome *DEPOSIT PAID*
7. Amdeus - (EGR yes) - coated black *DEPOSIT PAID*
8. theEZV - (EGR yes) - coated black *DEPOSIT PAID*
9. Spiced MSP - (EGR yes) - coated black *DEPOSIT PAID*
10. mspHtown - (EGR yes) - coated extreme chrome *DEPOSIT PAID*
11. needmspspeed - (EGR yes) - coated gloss black
12. Iggypop - (EGR yes) - coated
13. fuadmsp - (EGR yes) - coated
14. scmp3 - (EGR yes) - coated
15. Destineal - (EGR yes)
16. Outlawstar98 - (EGR yes) - coated extreme chrome
17. ricky - (EGR yes) - coated
18. boostdprotegelx - (EGR no) - uncoated
19. paniaguae640 - (EGR yes)
20. Silverspeed2015 - (EGR yes) - coated black
21. Youngblud - (EGR yes) - coated black
22. msp2003.5_nick - (EGR no) - uncoated
23. 03.5MSP - (EGR no) - uncoated
24. 95blkprobe - (EGR no)
25. YellowMazdaPR5 - (EGR no)
26. 719prottege - (EGR yes) - coated black
27. turboj1 - (EGR no) - coated black
28. cleverfrog - (EGR yes) - uncoated (partial dep. paid)


Waiting list:

1. mazdaspeedp - (EGR yes) - Coated metallic red


As for the dyno numbers, yes the operator let off at 5500 due to a miscommunication. I did not catch it until I got home to look at the files. Up top are where the biggest gains are with it, but I ain't here to try and convince anyone at this point so I will just leave it at that.
 
I have my deposit, but I'm going to wait until I have my car up and running to make sure I don't have any surprise exspenses. Gonna do more surface cleaning and then hopefully throw the head back on today.
 
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You can just send rich the money via paypal like you did for the deposit. Just be sure to give him all your information like forum name, real name, address and so on so that he subtracts it from your bill and not mine (unless you want to pay for mine as well :D )
 
1. Ricktalife - (EGR yes) coated black *DEPOSIT PAID*
2. Tzar177 - (EGR yes) - coated flat black *DEPOSIT PAID*
3. protegebuddy - (EGR yes) - coated extreme chrome *DEPOSIT PAID*
4. jbrewer4639 - (EGR yes) - uncoated *DEPOSIT PAID*
5. Justanothermp5 - (EGR yes) - coated *DEPOSIT PAID*
6. J_Naoto - (EGR yes) - coated extreme chrome *DEPOSIT PAID*
7. Amdeus - (EGR yes) - coated black *DEPOSIT PAID*
8. theEZV - (EGR yes) - coated black *DEPOSIT PAID*
9. Spiced MSP - (EGR yes) - coated black *DEPOSIT PAID*
10. mspHtown - (EGR yes) - coated extreme chrome *DEPOSIT PAID*
11. fuadmsp - (EGR yes) - coated *DEPOSIT PAID*
12. needmspspeed - (EGR yes) - coated gloss black
13. Iggypop - (EGR yes) - coated
14. Destineal - (EGR yes)
15. Outlawstar98 - (EGR yes) - coated extreme chrome
16. ricky - (EGR yes) - coated
17. boostdprotegelx - (EGR no) - uncoated
18. paniaguae640 - (EGR yes)
19. Silverspeed2015 - (EGR yes) - coated black
20. Youngblud - (EGR yes) - coated black
21. msp2003.5_nick - (EGR no) - uncoated
22. 03.5MSP - (EGR no) - uncoated
23. 95blkprobe - (EGR no)
24. YellowMazdaPR5 - (EGR no)
25. 719prottege - (EGR yes) - coated black
26. turboj1 - (EGR no) - coated black
27. cleverfrog - (EGR yes) - uncoated (partial dep. paid)
28. mazdaspeedp - (EGR yes) - coated metallic red

Waiting list:

1. stevew145
2.
3.
 
1. Ricktalife - (EGR yes) coated black *DEPOSIT PAID*
2. Tzar177 - (EGR yes) - coated flat black *DEPOSIT PAID*
3. protegebuddy - (EGR yes) - coated extreme chrome *DEPOSIT PAID*
4. jbrewer4639 - (EGR yes) - uncoated *DEPOSIT PAID*
5. Justanothermp5 - (EGR yes) - coated *DEPOSIT PAID*
6. J_Naoto - (EGR yes) - coated extreme chrome *DEPOSIT PAID*
7. Amdeus - (EGR yes) - coated black *DEPOSIT PAID*
8. theEZV - (EGR yes) - coated black *DEPOSIT PAID*
9. Spiced MSP - (EGR yes) - coated black *DEPOSIT PAID*
10. mspHtown - (EGR yes) - coated extreme chrome *DEPOSIT PAID*
11. fuadmsp - (EGR yes) - coated black *DEPOSIT PAID*
12. needmspspeed - (EGR yes) - coated gloss black
13. Iggypop - (EGR yes) - coated
14. Destineal - (EGR yes)
15. Outlawstar98 - (EGR yes) - coated extreme chrome
16. ricky - (EGR yes) - coated
17. boostdprotegelx - (EGR no) - uncoated
18. paniaguae640 - (EGR yes)
19. Silverspeed2015 - (EGR yes) - coated black
20. Youngblud - (EGR yes) - coated black
21. msp2003.5_nick - (EGR no) - uncoated
22. 03.5MSP - (EGR no) - uncoated
23. 95blkprobe - (EGR no)
24. YellowMazdaPR5 - (EGR no)
25. 719prottege - (EGR yes) - coated black
26. turboj1 - (EGR no) - coated black
27. cleverfrog - (EGR yes) - uncoated (partial dep. paid)
28. mazdaspeedp - (EGR yes) - coated metallic red

Waiting list:

1. stevew145
2.
3.
 
1. Ricktalife - (EGR yes) coated flat black *DEPOSIT PAID*
2. Tzar177 - (EGR yes) - coated flat black *DEPOSIT PAID*
3. protegebuddy - (EGR yes) - coated extreme chrome *DEPOSIT PAID*
4. jbrewer4639 - (EGR yes) - uncoated *DEPOSIT PAID*
5. Justanothermp5 - (EGR yes) - coated *DEPOSIT PAID*
6. J_Naoto - (EGR yes) - coated extreme chrome *DEPOSIT PAID*
7. Amdeus - (EGR yes) - coated black *DEPOSIT PAID*
8. theEZV - (EGR yes) - coated black *DEPOSIT PAID*
9. Spiced MSP - (EGR yes) - coated black *DEPOSIT PAID*
10. mspHtown - (EGR yes) - coated extreme chrome *DEPOSIT PAID*
11. fuadmsp - (EGR yes) - coated *DEPOSIT PAID*
12. needmspspeed - (EGR yes) - coated gloss black
13. Iggypop - (EGR yes) - coated
14. Destineal - (EGR yes)
15. Outlawstar98 - (EGR yes) - coated extreme chrome
16. ricky - (EGR yes) - coated
17. boostdprotegelx - (EGR no) - uncoated
18. paniaguae640 - (EGR yes)
19. Silverspeed2015 - (EGR yes) - coated black
20. Youngblud - (EGR yes) - coated black
21. msp2003.5_nick - (EGR no) - uncoated
22. 03.5MSP - (EGR no) - uncoated
23. 95blkprobe - (EGR no)
24. YellowMazdaPR5 - (EGR no)
25. 719prottege - (EGR yes) - coated black
26. turboj1 - (EGR no) - coated black
27. cleverfrog - (EGR yes) - uncoated (partial dep. paid)
28. mazdaspeedp - (EGR yes) - coated metallic red

Waiting list:

1. stevew145
2.
3.
 
def interested but just have a couple of questions - how much is the deposit? is there any way to order one with wider runners to be used on a ported and polished cylinder head and has anyone used a larger throttle body on these manifolds?
 
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