good price for an intercooler??
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mrlilguy157
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that depends on what core they're setting you up with. i think cashmere did his own for way less.... and I've thought about doing my own.
why spend 1400$ when you can get Begi engineering from ken at protegegarage for like 950$, and its got a warranty from a real company?
im not 100% sure on the core size i think he said like a 400 or a 500 maybe im not sure does that sound about right??
Will the begi kit work with my MS Intake?
mrlilguy157
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http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123670821
i dont see why not. the intake doensn't affect any sort of intercooler upgrade, unless the piping for the CAI gets in the way of the FMIC piping, but judging by the pictures in that thread, i think you'd be just fine.
i made my own FMIC, CAI, and got a $300 BOV for about $900 total spent. That includes welding gas ($90 argon/co2), lunch trips, clamps, silicone, core, bolts, piping, etc...
$1400... they are ripping you for sure.
parts, MAYBE RETAIL about $500-600. Labor will be the expensive thing. Between me and 2 buddies, took about 18-20 hours. Started from completely scratch.
$1400 for FMIC, no way. I would wait for Cobb's if i were you.
$1400... they are ripping you for sure.
parts, MAYBE RETAIL about $500-600. Labor will be the expensive thing. Between me and 2 buddies, took about 18-20 hours. Started from completely scratch.
$1400 for FMIC, no way. I would wait for Cobb's if i were you.
or you could do this, but its still not as efficient as a FMIC. Save your $500+ for a FMIC
Where does the hott air go directly after it passes through the intercooler ? yup, ur right, right on top of the engine. Something i never understood on TMIC's. for just a couple hundred more, they could have made a FMIC like that of the SRT4 stock and been so much more efficient.
i can see your point on that. this is just through stuff i have heard, i have never looked into it that much, but i have heard on this board that a fmic will actually loose pressure because of the amount of piping that the air is required to run through. Personally my thoughts are that if it is a sealed system then you can't loose pressure. or can you? if the same cfm of air is being put through an area with more space, wouldn't that decrease pressure right there? its kind of like water. if you put the same amount of water through a fire hose wouldn't there be less pressure than if that same amount was going through a garden hose?
The pressure drop is due to the fact that there is resistance to air motion. In order to overcome the increased friction due to the increased pipe length and core size (surface area) you need to add energy to the system. This energy comes from the momentum of the fluid being moved. When we use the momentum to overcome the friction, we end up with a net loss at the other end. We see this as a measurable decrease in pressure, and an almost negligible loss in velocity.
At the same time, there is also a pressure loss due to the temperature reduction. Pressure is only half the equation though, so don't let the pressure drop concern you. The thing we are looking for with an inter cooler is a decrease to the specific volume of the fluid (Volume/Mass). Basically for whatever pressure loss you see across an inter cooler, it is offset by the decrease to specific volume (increase to density).
ya i wish i had the skill to build my own...i think i might wait for cobb's stuff and do that with the access port.
if i were you i wouldnt buy a fully custom intercooler with pipes and such..
the only reason i would do something like that was if i got a great deal on an intercooler and got custom piping made, which wouldnt be that expensive.. it would be cheaper and probably more of a hp gain to buy a tested product
the only reason i would do something like that was if i got a great deal on an intercooler and got custom piping made, which wouldnt be that expensive.. it would be cheaper and probably more of a hp gain to buy a tested product
Not to be a dick or anything, but where does the hot air passing through your radiator go? Right on the side of your engine. I also would think the air from the rad would be a lot hotter than the air from the TMIC. Hardly a good reason to change the design, efficiency and effectiveness are good reasons though.
If you want a TMIC get one, if you like the look of the FMIC, get that instead.
1967abarth
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Check out the BEGI site for fmic at a better price
TMIC options
I've seen the ETS one for about $550... It looks kind of... Garage-y. Unsophisticated. Like I don't want it on my tuner Mazdaspeed3 because I'd be ashamed to open the hood and show off the bang-together, look-at-my-welds TMIC.
I've seen the EXE one for $1200, and that looks slick, but damn the tag is hefty.
Is there a comfortable medium anyone's found?
(my first post btw, yay. whoop)
*edit*oh yeah, and the BEGI looks like it is Miata-bound and will require some modification and riggin'. I'm from IN, but I don't like riggin'.
I've seen the ETS one for about $550... It looks kind of... Garage-y. Unsophisticated. Like I don't want it on my tuner Mazdaspeed3 because I'd be ashamed to open the hood and show off the bang-together, look-at-my-welds TMIC.
I've seen the EXE one for $1200, and that looks slick, but damn the tag is hefty.
Is there a comfortable medium anyone's found?
(my first post btw, yay. whoop)
*edit*oh yeah, and the BEGI looks like it is Miata-bound and will require some modification and riggin'. I'm from IN, but I don't like riggin'.
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SuperStretch18
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Doesn't matter what a TMIC looks like, because you are just going to put the plastic cover back over it. If not, it will not work efficiently...
Not for the aftermarket ones. They are built with a lip around it to catch flush on the ducting in the hood. The cover won't fit a 3" tmic.
SuperStretch18
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RLY? The ETS for the CX-7 is made to fit under the stock cover. I thought it was the 3 1/2" core that wouldn't fit the cover. Sorry, my bad...
You can see in this picture there are no holes for the cover to be screwed in. Also notice the shield that has been spot welded around the core. It may look cheap but it has no real purpose other than directing the airflow over the core the same way the plastic cover does.
