how is strengthening your motor a waste? I personally feel that it is more than worth it and furthest from a waste in any case, IMO i guess though.
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how is strengthening your motor a waste? I personally feel that it is more than worth it and furthest from a waste in any case, IMO i guess though.
Velocifero
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so spending the money on forged parts just to go to 220whp is worth it? I am not saying it isn't worth it to strengthen your motor, but come on, if you are only looking to push 220 then there are much more efficient ways to doing it that are safe.
shane02pro5
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I don't think you'll pull up next to that one on the streets!
Nice but I'm talking about an FS and I know them crazy guys in Puerto Rico pull some baddass numbers too but thats not exactly an FS motor either I don't think.
Nice but I'm talking about an FS and I know them crazy guys in Puerto Rico pull some baddass numbers too but thats not exactly an FS motor either I don't think.
Horribble Example..It has a Twin Turbo Rotary in it..so you can put that one back in the file...Not to mention..We said "Streetable"....Which that is not.
And as far as staying Under 275 Forged?
WTH..It takes quite a bit to get 275 Reliable HP out of a protege without breaking a lot of stuff very often.
Forged is just insurance over the toothpick rods we have stock.
But 500HP...For a Street protege...with an FS motor...That's just out there...and mainly a pipe dream.
shane02pro5
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I have 250whp right now on stock motor and have been for a year or so but I'm running a J&S for security!
Velocifero
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I know it isn't a FS in it, it's a 26b, just saying that with money you can do whatever.
im guessing you mean cost efficient....anyhow; i think that ill stick with a forged motor over a stock mazdaspeed motor anyday.
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Velocifero
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Thats all I am saying.
If you're gonna spend the money on the parts you might as well get some potential out of them. Having forged rods in a 220hp FS "realistically" is a waste of money when that can be achieved with proper tuning and supporting mods.
Yeah..Like buy a car that is Capable of actually making 500HP if thats what you want.
Hell...For the price of the J+S ..you could have bought rods and like even had some change left over.
Tha J+S may help with detonation..But it wont stop a rod from bending if the power level gets too high...Detonation or not.
Simply Put...500HP from an FS ...Is pretty much out of the question.
PERIOD.
Velocifero
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cost and effort wise.
sure I would too, but if we aren't looking to break 250 then, "to me" dropping the money on the forged isn't the way to go when you still have to buy the other supporting mods to run the forged anyways. Nobody is running a forged motor with stock everything and making anymore power than non forged, but there are plenty of guys running 220-250 without forged motors and they run for long periods of time with the right mods and tuning.
well i guess that just makes me in that small percentage of people willing to do things the right way and spend a few extra dollars to ensure that everything works the way its supposed too.
I never once said it wasnt possible, however i think that there is plenty of evidence in this forum that shows the FS is pretty weak and if any little thing is overlooked when dealing with stock you can kiss your motor goodbye.
i will be making less that 250 hp and spending 3k on a forged block and minor head work and never once regret my decision and hope that your outlook is not shared by too many people on this board. Either do it the right way or not at all...again this is all just my own opinion.
Velocifero
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to each thier own right
once again you prove yourself as a egotistically dickhead. Oh wait i forgot you are god's gift to the protege community.
I just finished rebuilding mine, and yes there is quite a bit of detail to follow and things to do when building an engine. The OP sounded like he just thought all you do is put different rods and pistons in. There are so many things that you have to buy and install correctly or your time and money will have been wasted. I never said you have to be a rocket scientist to build an engine. But its not legos and if you do not know what you are doing or you do not assemble everything correctly, then again you wasted your time and money.
Why dont you try to be less of a dick and be more helpful. I agree if someone with limited experience and knowledge wants to do this, they better think twice. You do not need to attack every single post. YOU DO NOT JUST BUY RODS AND PISTONS. What i was getting at is the time, money, and knowledge issue.
But it is evident that you know more than anyone on this board and in life in general.
You should start rebuilding blocks for the community since you are such a veteran.
Once again..Way to read WAAAYYYY too far into something.once again you prove yourself as a egotistically dickhead. Oh wait i forgot you are god's gift to the protege community.
I just finished rebuilding mine, and yes there is quite a bit of detail to follow and things to do when building an engine. The OP sounded like he just thought all you do is put different rods and pistons in. There are so many things that you have to buy and install correctly or your time and money will have been wasted. I never said you have to be a rocket scientist to build an engine. But its not legos and if you do not know what you are doing or you do not assemble everything correctly, then again you wasted your time and money.
Why dont you try to be less of a dick and be more helpful. I agree if someone with limited experience and knowledge wants to do this, they better think twice. You do not need to attack every single post. YOU DO NOT JUST BUY RODS AND PISTONS. What i was getting at is the time, money, and knowledge issue.
But it is evident that you know more than anyone on this board and in life in general.
You should start rebuilding blocks for the community since you are such a veteran.
I even came back and said "yes..we must be thinnking about this a different way"..and then went on to explain how....It really wasn't a big deal.
How much more of a "Less" dick can I be about it?
I mean..I didnt call anyone an idiot...and I simply told this guy there was no real way to acheive his stated power goals with this car.
His expectations and aspirations are far too high for the vehicle he wants to do this with.
I by no means made a post anywhere near as mean and negative as yours.(potkettle
I mean seriously...A motor build is not complicated in the least...Especially not our simple motors.
I didnt feel the need to go into every little part.....I stated the Main needs..the rest is common sense with any build.
Why did you feel the need for a retaliatory post like this one?
This pretty much sums up this entire thread...In a nutshell.
When you act all high and mighty in every single post, i figured i would say something about it.
Again, i never claimed the motor build should only be attempted by NASA scientists. However, you did claim that he should not build his engine from his lack of knowledge. But i thought "a motor build is not complicated in the least...especially our simple motors" So why cant he get some help and learn along the way?
Another reason why i mentioned all of the small things, if he hasnt ever built an engine (i know you have built millions), then he wouldnt think about everything else that goes into the build.
But it doesnt matter what you think or i think, we will keep arguing.
No..I'll stop..I think you understand where I am coming from..even if you don't say it.
We don't need to argue....We both have an opinion.. and we're entitled to them....I'll respect yours...you respect mine...Fair?
And I am sure that no matter what ....We both agree that a 500HP , FS based, Street protege...Is...in fact....a pipe dream.
Fair enough.
However, i never claimed that 500 was reasonable. When i posted at the beginning, i figured he meant around 300whp. 500 is ridiculous on a street driven protege. Definitely a pipe dream.
