FS-DE Oil System

Wasn't it a bad idea measuring oil pressure at the oil filter? I learned it would be better to put the sensor where the pressure switch is up in the block. This way the real pressure on its way to the cams is measured instead of the oil pump pressure.
 
If you want "true" oil pressure, there's a 3/8" NPT plug o nthe oil pump itself, it's a hex head plug. Remove it and use a 3/8" NPT adapter and put your sender in there. That'll give you the true pressure that the pump is putting out.
 
Sorry, when I said "true" pressure that's what the pump is putting out. I don't agree with taking the oil pressure at the filter, I take mine from the proper nipple o nthe block itself, cause as mentioned this is what the engine as a whole is seeing. Cams, etc.
 
No point in arguing..Its not meant for this thread.

Thanks guys for understanding.
 
^^^ Not arguing; I just found out something I didn't know. The only reason I'm going to use a sandwich plate is because I have oil pressure and temperature sending units as well as a turbo feed line and I really don't want all those tee'd off the same source. I want to get the pressure sender out of line with the feed line because oil moving past the pressure sender will cause lower pressure readings. My other option is to tee in the pressure sender where the current feed line is (just before the stock pressure sender) and then relocate the feed line to the sandwich plate.
 
Personally if you have to choose, I'd run the turbo feed line off the sandwich plate, and take your pressure reading from the port near the top of the block.
 
Can someone tell me where I can find an Oil Pressure Release Valve and all the necessary parts, fittings, size hoses (-10, -12, etc) In addition, a diagram would be nice.

Also I want to send my pump to Doc B, but I do not have an address.

Thanks
 
Hey Tom. I've been away for quite a while, but you might remember me. I'm the guy who bought a spare race motor from Fountain Motorsports a couple of years back. Yes, it's still in the crate, lol, because I haven't felt compelled to install it with my original motor running so well (101k miles now and compression at 189-194 psi). Nevertheless, I'm now progressing toward getting that motor ready to go and I think this discussion will apply to my situation. I remember talking with you once about the oil pump installed on that motor. Apparently it was modified for race duty and was set up to use an external pressure regulator, so we talked about me getting a stock pump from you. Although I don't race, after reading your info and understanding the stock pump's limitations, I think I might rather have mine set up like you've described. I'm wondering now if I don't already have one of these coated pumps, since everything else in this motor was coated by Swain Tech. Would you remember if Fountain was doing this with the oil pumps back then? I guess I could always disassemble it to find out.
I'm also concerned now about the oil pan on that motor. It's a custom gated pan, and looks to be the same design as what you're running. Someone mentioned leaking at the welds... aaack! Any chance I have one that won't leak?
Anyway, glad to see you're still around and doing cool stuff for the community.
 
Can someone tell me where I can find an Oil Pressure Release Valve and all the necessary parts, fittings, size hoses (-10, -12, etc) In addition, a diagram would be nice.

Also I want to send my pump to Doc B, but I do not have an address.

Thanks

You will need oil relocation sandwich plate setup you can find on ebay doc can supply you with pressure regulating valve 10an fittings at auto parts Russell fittings worked out great for me and I can supply you with -10an braided bought a box of 25 feet only needed about 10 foot also dont forget return line fitting from PRV into oil pan have someone weld a 10an fitting into pan at top.
 
Can you make some sort of quick schematic to show how/where everything works/goes?

Is there a list of parts, (an fittings, an size hose, length of hose, etc) needed for this modification? In addition, a diagram would be nice.

Please.
I am considering how to route line to include this ext PRV and the thermostat activated oil cooler.

I guess it would go like this:

Filter spin-on adapter line out goes to the relocated filter bracket/filter.
Line out of filter goes to cooler w/thermostat and return to spin on port.
Line out to turbo from a fitting (somewhere) and return drain into pan.

Now should the PRV system run best integrated with the relocate and / or cooler OR should it be isolated?
Where can I economize the # and amount of lines needed.

I can get the external bypass valve. There are many sources for sandwich plates so I assume you can get one. If you use a sandwich plate the oil filter screws onto the back of it so you won't need a filter mount/relocation kit. Also, you will need some hoses to hook all this up.

I haven't put a "kit" together since this is something that evolved over the past couple days. I can get you links for more of the stuff if needed.

Could we get specs on what we need (i.e. Oil spin on adapter is a M20x1.5, Lines are all -10 or ?, etc..)

BTW, proper oiling/engine life is determined by many other factors such as engine bearings, bearing clearance, oil weight, etc.!!

Can we have another discussion thread on these??

You should be able to source your own sandwich plates, hoses, and bung for the MBSP or pan. I would rather not provide these since there is a huge range in available quality and type of these. Also, depending on where you mount the external bypass valve and locate the return bung your hose lengths will vary.

What brands do u or DONT u recommend from your experiences?

Please be advised!!!!!

Do not send dirty, greasy oil pumps for coating!!! (notcool)

So, does a new one come packed in oil and needs to be cleaned before sending to u? How do u recommend for those of us without access to a parts washer?
Can a used pump be a liability? I have 2 used or I could buy a new.

We will most likely offer the various parts needed or direct you to where they can be obtained.
We use the OE oil supply line to the turbo and a -10 AN line attached to the OE oil drain from the turbo to a fitting on our oil pan.

Any update on this?

One simplification to "the system" I have been thinking of running on the race car is the recently available combo oil filter mounts with built-in pressure adjusters. The cost is about the same as the two separate units but for space savings it might be worth looking at!!!

 
there are 15 pages and it would take a while to read it all so my questions are: is it completed? and how much is it going to cost?
 
Its been available since April.

The pricing I have outlined is:
$100 for blueprint service on the oil pump
$125 for external bypass valves

If purchasing together I will include modifying the oil pump to work with an external bypass valve! You should be able to source your own sandwich plates, hoses, and bung for the MBSP or pan.

The $100 covers:
1.receiving your pump
2.disassembling your pump
3.recording pre-coating specs
4.sending to Swain Tech
5.coating of parts at Swain Tech
6.receiving back from Swain Tech
7.recording post-coating specs
8.reassembly of your pump

Shipping cost back to you is determined by where you are located. You will receive with your pump a copy of the specs.
The current turn-around time is 3 weeks including the time at Swain Tech.

Oil pump part #:

I do beleive it is this FS01-14-100N

Warning:

Please be advised!!!!!

Do not send dirty, greasy oil pumps for coating!!! (notcool)

From this time on if a pump is received that requires cleaning prior to disassembly there will be an additional $50 charge!!

Please understand, the coating company would not even accept a dirty pump much less try to coat it! When it comes to engine assembly the cleaner the parts and the surroundings the better the chance for long engine life!!

Tom

Tom,

You should update the first post in this thread with this info.
And please get back to me, I'll resend my PM.
 
I don't think this has been asked already but wouldn't the pump be prone to failure faster since it is working at a elevated rate.
 

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