aftershock63
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These following thread are all about trying to get an ignition system onto a Neon whether it P5 MP3 or MSP, but none really prove anything only the fact that it has not been done.
http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=53605&highlight=ignition
http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=27669
http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=27688
http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1211
I've been talking with Victor at MSD about this system on the P5. Here are the facts that I have found about our cars:
We have a CAPASITIVE DISCHARGE ignition
We have a WASTE spark system
We have HIGH impedence coils
The inputs to the are as follows: Trigger, Neg, Pos ( http://protege5.ugly.net/01-18.PDF )
We have the coil IGNITERS built into our coils
HIGH impedence coils are not compatable with ANY ignition system so NEW coils must be purchased.
My plan is to keep the ignition system as a WASTE spark ignition since I believe that will be easyest and also because I only have the 2 channel DIS-2 ignition (which was donated to me by a very kind member of this board).
With the combined information that I have found through research of our ignition system and the information that Victor has provided to me I have come up with a plan of attack.
Nessisary Parts:
1x 6211 MSD DIS-2
1x Mitsubishi round coil pack harness
1x 8229 MSD Mitsubishi 4 Tower coil pack
1x 32323 Set of MSD Super Conductor Wires from Teg 1.8L Non- V-Tech
1x Custom Bracket to hold coil pack
1x 8912 MSD DIS Dual Ignition Tach Adapter
Part Explainations:
MSD DIS-2: I will be using this because it was given to me for one thing but it will also be all you will need to run a waste spark system on a 4 cylinder engine
MSD Mitsubishi 4 Tower Coil Pack: I verified that this coil pack is compatable with all MSD Ignition. This particular coil pack has 2 seperate coil pack in one housing so I figured it would help for ease of instalation over 2, 2 tower GM packs.
Super Conductor Wires: Cheaper than the Nology but still very high quality. I figured I shoudl try to save some money incase it doesn't work. Why honda wires? I knew that they would be long enough and that they are basically being used as a universal set or wires.
DIS Dual Ignition Tach Adapter: What this unit does is it hooks into the harness that you plug into the DIS-2 and it interupts the signal. It then passes the trigger signal through to the box and it simulates the coil being triggered and sends it back to the ECU for tach/injetor signal. This unit actually contains 2 small ignition coils to simulate the signal.
Why Waste Spark: It will be easyest to set up because there are only 2 trigger wires and I do not what to take the time or risk to try and figure out how to convert it to a coil per plug set up.
Plan of Attack:
What I plan on doing after I gather all of the parts is simple, if you look at the instalation manuel (which I will post a link to later) the actual install of the DIS unit itself is fairly simple, the normal positive and negative conections to power the unit and one ACC conection to power the unit on and off with the car. After that there is only a few more wires to hook up. I will post detailed install instruction later i do not have the manual on me. It should be simply this, Connect your tigger wire to the signal converter and then connect them to the proper inputs onto the box. Take the puts from the box and connect them to the proper places on the new coil pack. Make sure that you have the 1-3 trigger connected to the coil that will be firing coils 1-3 and also make sure that you have your wires going to the proper plugs. You DO NOT what to plug 1-2 into the same coil pack.
I will go home later and right up more detial instructions with part numbers later and will also order the rest of the parts I need. They will hopefully all be in within a week. The only thing that I might have to wait on is the output harness to the box they ordered one for me today. The gental man that gave it to me could not find this piece.
Please post only valid questions concerns and comments and I will address them as time allows.
http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=53605&highlight=ignition
http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=27669
http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=27688
http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1211
I've been talking with Victor at MSD about this system on the P5. Here are the facts that I have found about our cars:
We have a CAPASITIVE DISCHARGE ignition
We have a WASTE spark system
We have HIGH impedence coils
The inputs to the are as follows: Trigger, Neg, Pos ( http://protege5.ugly.net/01-18.PDF )
We have the coil IGNITERS built into our coils
HIGH impedence coils are not compatable with ANY ignition system so NEW coils must be purchased.
My plan is to keep the ignition system as a WASTE spark ignition since I believe that will be easyest and also because I only have the 2 channel DIS-2 ignition (which was donated to me by a very kind member of this board).
With the combined information that I have found through research of our ignition system and the information that Victor has provided to me I have come up with a plan of attack.
Nessisary Parts:
1x 6211 MSD DIS-2
1x Mitsubishi round coil pack harness
1x 8229 MSD Mitsubishi 4 Tower coil pack
1x 32323 Set of MSD Super Conductor Wires from Teg 1.8L Non- V-Tech
1x Custom Bracket to hold coil pack
1x 8912 MSD DIS Dual Ignition Tach Adapter
Part Explainations:
MSD DIS-2: I will be using this because it was given to me for one thing but it will also be all you will need to run a waste spark system on a 4 cylinder engine
MSD Mitsubishi 4 Tower Coil Pack: I verified that this coil pack is compatable with all MSD Ignition. This particular coil pack has 2 seperate coil pack in one housing so I figured it would help for ease of instalation over 2, 2 tower GM packs.
Super Conductor Wires: Cheaper than the Nology but still very high quality. I figured I shoudl try to save some money incase it doesn't work. Why honda wires? I knew that they would be long enough and that they are basically being used as a universal set or wires.
DIS Dual Ignition Tach Adapter: What this unit does is it hooks into the harness that you plug into the DIS-2 and it interupts the signal. It then passes the trigger signal through to the box and it simulates the coil being triggered and sends it back to the ECU for tach/injetor signal. This unit actually contains 2 small ignition coils to simulate the signal.
Why Waste Spark: It will be easyest to set up because there are only 2 trigger wires and I do not what to take the time or risk to try and figure out how to convert it to a coil per plug set up.
Plan of Attack:
What I plan on doing after I gather all of the parts is simple, if you look at the instalation manuel (which I will post a link to later) the actual install of the DIS unit itself is fairly simple, the normal positive and negative conections to power the unit and one ACC conection to power the unit on and off with the car. After that there is only a few more wires to hook up. I will post detailed install instruction later i do not have the manual on me. It should be simply this, Connect your tigger wire to the signal converter and then connect them to the proper inputs onto the box. Take the puts from the box and connect them to the proper places on the new coil pack. Make sure that you have the 1-3 trigger connected to the coil that will be firing coils 1-3 and also make sure that you have your wires going to the proper plugs. You DO NOT what to plug 1-2 into the same coil pack.
I will go home later and right up more detial instructions with part numbers later and will also order the rest of the parts I need. They will hopefully all be in within a week. The only thing that I might have to wait on is the output harness to the box they ordered one for me today. The gental man that gave it to me could not find this piece.
Please post only valid questions concerns and comments and I will address them as time allows.
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