Few questions about Sport with Gt interior?
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builthatch
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because you, meaning the you in that sentence, not you personally, are a complete idiot. the lights are not dim, or poor performers in any capacity whatsoever. ever ever ever ever. they are aimed LOW and need to be raised up. they are aimed entirely too low from the factory. the factory HID put out more lumens than any halogen lamp setup could ever possibly dream, period.
i would lose alot of respect for someone's opinion if they upgraded these without realizing it was JUST a matter of taking a philips head to the adjuster.
i am a lighting expert, literally. it's what i do for a living. i work for Hella USA. i would be more than willing to admit if they were some pieces of s***, but the infact are awesome, just maladjusted.
to each his own, that should go without saying, but i am here to stop silly info from being spread if i know 100% it's not accurate. young people today are way to impressionable, and take stuff on the 'net as if it has substance, when in actuality this is just an electronic corkboard that anyone, literally, anyone, can randomly post their opinion, founded or not. just you saying in this thread that a shitload of people upgraded their ballasts could potentially lead some fool down that road.
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you my friend arent that bright i see.
I never said the lights were dim. I never made one personal comment about the factory lights except for the the fact that my aftermarket HID's have a life time warranty and yours dont.
i simply stated the reasons why other GT owners said they upgraded their HID's.
either we are debating two totally different points or your reading comprehension just isnt on par.
"mr lighting expert" obviously your expertise mean s*** to the GT owners who upgraded their factory HID's.
so once again. I NEVER ONCE gave a personal impression of the factory HID's. i stated the reasons why other GT owners wanted to upgrade.
so it would be nice if you read the text more thoroughly
I never said the lights were dim. I never made one personal comment about the factory lights except for the the fact that my aftermarket HID's have a life time warranty and yours dont.
i simply stated the reasons why other GT owners said they upgraded their HID's.
either we are debating two totally different points or your reading comprehension just isnt on par.
"mr lighting expert" obviously your expertise mean s*** to the GT owners who upgraded their factory HID's.
so once again. I NEVER ONCE gave a personal impression of the factory HID's. i stated the reasons why other GT owners wanted to upgrade.
so it would be nice if you read the text more thoroughly
uthemang31
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Get what makes sense for you, not based on what some stranger told you on the internet. I like my GT but I also can appreciate all the Sport owners out there as well.
Thank you for the refreshing image. I said in my previous post, the lady rules and leather seats, MP3 is what she and I want both want. But while checking on MazdaUSA. They list the 2009 sport with a MP3, thus I just wanted people opinion on whether the GT interior ie seats can be transplanted into a sport.
I was by no means start arguments between 240ka and 15min5k, builthatch and whom ever else.
Cheers,
Sunny
uthemang31
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Thanks for the Warranty link!!
The farting smoke, I was referring to the blown turbo seals burning oil as the car is Idling. The prime example are youtube videos of speed 3 and 6 with huge amounts of White/Grey smoke exiting the car. Whether with stock exhaust or aftermarket.
Cheers,
Sunny
builthatch
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you don't know what the **** you are talking about when it comes to me, obviously. you DO NOT know me, and not once did i direct any personal attacks at you, but you feel empowered to do so at me. very honorable....
who? who is the 'you' here? certainly not me......
actually, i'm outrageously bright...scary, to be honest.
in the documented quote, you said that because some idiots on the interwebz replaced their ballasts on their HID's, that the stockers end up being a waste. you said it, it's in bold above, so don't deny your involvement in spreading that BS. some user will see that, agree because the lights are dim due to being aimed way too low, and then read up on the threads you claim are out there where people wasted their money on different ballasts, instead of the how-to threads detailing the markedxinfinity improvements that can be had my simply raising them up to a respectable level.
i'm telling you it doesn't have to be done, i don't care what anyone else says, or what anyone else has done. it IS a matter of aiming. the lights are more than ample. that is not an opinion, it's a fact.
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builthatch
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if i were you i'd reference whether or not this occurs with 08.5+.
ms6 is old, and it was rampant with many 07 ms3. possibly some 08's, but my 08 has never once belched anything other than faint faint black if i've not gotten on it in a while then blast it.
"the mazda shithead boys with an inflated ego" wasnt directed at you. it was directed at 15 and the others like him.
its directed at the ego driven, snob like minded mazda owners i have noticed since joining this board. people catch tudes for no absolute reason on this board.
why do you think his post is the one thats quoted?
to you 35 watt ballast may be bright enough. and now that im thinking about it. the reason why i got 55 watt ballast for my HID's over 35watts is due to me seeing a factory GT and a GT with 55 watt ballast side by side at a meet and i noticed myself that i rathered the 55's.
so if someone isnt satisfied with the OEm HID's and end up upgrading, the factory HID's in fact were a waste.
so its not that the OEM hid's are dim they arent bright enough IMO and many others
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yeah some do some dont. but either way the warranty covers a new turbo.
that way you can even break the turbo in yourself if it was to happen
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I think everyone is arguing some good points, but many opinions are being stated as a fact that aren't necessarily so. So let me play Devil's Advocate
While adding a HID kit to a Mz3 with halogen lights is quick and easy it is not equal to the OEM HIDs. I say this not because a kit works less well than OE lamps/ballasts but rather because despite both of them using projectors the projectors used for the halogens are optically different to those used in the HIDs. The OE HID projectors will have a sharper cutoff with less light leaking above the cutoff, a broader beam, and will distribute the light far more evenly avoiding the hotspots that HIDs in the halogen projectors tend to produce. Also the shield in the HID projector is movable so if you want you can color mod it to produce more flicker, whereas it's fixed in the halogen projector. So while a 35w kit and 35w OE HIDs emit the same amount of light the HID projectors will distribute that light better, and more effectively get it to where you need to see. To illustrate:
OE halogens with 55w HID installed.
OE HID projectors (retrofitted into OE halogen housings w/ evo8 clear lenses and w/ a color mod)
Same car btw.
Next getting the light to where you need to see. Proper aiming of headlights is always key regardless of how much light your headlights put out! It doesn't matter how many lumens your headlights emit if they don't go where you need them. This does not mean that a person with properly aimed lights can not also be dissatisfied with the light's performance. As this depends on each individual person it can't be said that any properly aimed light is perfect..... I drive lots of vehicles with "properly aimed" lights which suck just because the lights are badly designed.
As far as brightness and upgrading goes 35w HIDs produce ~3x as much light as 35w halogens. Likewise 55w HIDs put out much more light than 35w HIDs. 35w HIDs are more than adequate for a large percentage of the population. Those who find 35w HIDs don't have quite enough oompf would probably be happier upgrading the ballasts and lamps to 55w, and this of course is perfectly fine. However just because some people prefer the greater light output of the 55w HIDs doesn't mean 35w HIDs are crap. Also those people who choose to upgrade would still benefit in the improved optics found in the HID projector.
Sorry for the long post everybody.
1. Can you order it that way? No. Would the dealer be happy to charge you lots and lots of money to install the parts? Absolutely. Remember you could always try and buy the covers themselves from Mazda at a later time and put them on your sport seats yourself. Alternately you have the option of going with aftermarket leather from a company like Katzkins who use good quality products. Not to say I don't like the OEM leather/alcantara combo, on the contrary I think they're super sexy, but check out your options. I think I saw a group buy on some forum for MS3 katzkins covers recently but I can't remember where. If you did decide to buy the OE covers I'd suggest getting them from an online vendor as you'll probably get a much better price on them than you would at the dealer.
2. Installing a kit is easy, though see my thoughts on the projector differences above.
3. Yes. All '08.5+ Mz3/MS3's will read Mp3 files on burned discs, and all '07+ models include an audio input.
While adding a HID kit to a Mz3 with halogen lights is quick and easy it is not equal to the OEM HIDs. I say this not because a kit works less well than OE lamps/ballasts but rather because despite both of them using projectors the projectors used for the halogens are optically different to those used in the HIDs. The OE HID projectors will have a sharper cutoff with less light leaking above the cutoff, a broader beam, and will distribute the light far more evenly avoiding the hotspots that HIDs in the halogen projectors tend to produce. Also the shield in the HID projector is movable so if you want you can color mod it to produce more flicker, whereas it's fixed in the halogen projector. So while a 35w kit and 35w OE HIDs emit the same amount of light the HID projectors will distribute that light better, and more effectively get it to where you need to see. To illustrate:
OE halogens with 55w HID installed.
OE HID projectors (retrofitted into OE halogen housings w/ evo8 clear lenses and w/ a color mod)
Same car btw.
Next getting the light to where you need to see. Proper aiming of headlights is always key regardless of how much light your headlights put out! It doesn't matter how many lumens your headlights emit if they don't go where you need them. This does not mean that a person with properly aimed lights can not also be dissatisfied with the light's performance. As this depends on each individual person it can't be said that any properly aimed light is perfect..... I drive lots of vehicles with "properly aimed" lights which suck just because the lights are badly designed.
As far as brightness and upgrading goes 35w HIDs produce ~3x as much light as 35w halogens. Likewise 55w HIDs put out much more light than 35w HIDs. 35w HIDs are more than adequate for a large percentage of the population. Those who find 35w HIDs don't have quite enough oompf would probably be happier upgrading the ballasts and lamps to 55w, and this of course is perfectly fine. However just because some people prefer the greater light output of the 55w HIDs doesn't mean 35w HIDs are crap. Also those people who choose to upgrade would still benefit in the improved optics found in the HID projector.
Sorry for the long post everybody.
uthemang31 said:
1. Can you order it that way? No. Would the dealer be happy to charge you lots and lots of money to install the parts? Absolutely. Remember you could always try and buy the covers themselves from Mazda at a later time and put them on your sport seats yourself. Alternately you have the option of going with aftermarket leather from a company like Katzkins who use good quality products. Not to say I don't like the OEM leather/alcantara combo, on the contrary I think they're super sexy, but check out your options. I think I saw a group buy on some forum for MS3 katzkins covers recently but I can't remember where. If you did decide to buy the OE covers I'd suggest getting them from an online vendor as you'll probably get a much better price on them than you would at the dealer.
2. Installing a kit is easy, though see my thoughts on the projector differences above.
3. Yes. All '08.5+ Mz3/MS3's will read Mp3 files on burned discs, and all '07+ models include an audio input.
yeah those with the GT like ballz
Feed him to the pigs
Thanks, I tried to make sense even though I was rambling.
The headlights in the Mz3 5-door (non-GT) are the same ones in the MS3 sport. Likewise the Mz3 5-door GT are the same as the MS3 GT. I don't mean to imply anything about you but many people assume that everything in the MS3 is different from the Mz3. Outside of the engine, drivetrain, suspension, brakes and exterior body panels they use almost all of the same parts as the Mz3 5-door.
Do you also have no light leakage over the cutoff and super evenly distributed light throughout the entire beam?
If you feel like definitely comparing then open up your lights. The shield on the inside of the halogen projector is attached to the cylindrical part of the projector, vs. to the bowl like it is in the HID projector.
halogen projector
Also it will say on the front of the light "HID" if it's the HID one.
haha, nah im not that interested in debating this to the point where i rip my headlights apart.
but my cut of looks crisp like the second pic. the first pic looks terrible.
what made me notice my cut off was how the line isnt str8. not straight as in blurry. i mean not straight like the second pic, where you can see how the design of the headlight placing doesnt make a straight line with the headlight cut off
illl post a pic once i get a replacement bulb for one of my lights
but my cut of looks crisp like the second pic. the first pic looks terrible.
what made me notice my cut off was how the line isnt str8. not straight as in blurry. i mean not straight like the second pic, where you can see how the design of the headlight placing doesnt make a straight line with the headlight cut off
illl post a pic once i get a replacement bulb for one of my lights
mazdaspeedster3
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LMAO... Also, all that crap extra on the GT adds weight. Everyone knows Sports are faster than GT's. GT's are for old people that really should be driving Buicks.
