Fastest FWD?
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oaklandopen
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fanboys and haters alike unite to threadjack....
i believe car and driver has also gotten faster numbers from the calibur srt-4
i believe car and driver has also gotten faster numbers from the calibur srt-4
Sorry to hear you've suffered from all of the above. Most people have not.
No dash or stereo squeaking nor winshield issues in cold weather (and I drive it at minus 35 Celcius). I do have a rattle coming from my handbreak though, (the actual button on the end of it ) annoying yes but when I'm tired of it I'll actually get them to replace it. Aweful noises over bumps yep, not due to loose anything but the rubber bushings I was informed <shrug>. Not many cars are silent at minus 20 celcius and lower.
As for thin coat of paint hmmm show me how many cars out there have a thick coat of paint that doesn't chip when you throw pointy rocks at it? Ever since lead was taken out of most/all car paint it means its relatively hard paint now so prone to chipping when hit. Toss in the fact that most road gravel is crushed rock and you have a recipie for disaster when it comes to rock chips and winshields. My speed 3 is one of the first few delivered and from my winter driving the windshield has ohhh 8-9 fixed rock chips and a few thousands small nearly invisible pits which stand out prominently when facing into the sunlight. So yeah, that's what my paint job looks like too go figure
Cars I've owned with similar "cheap paint issues' you refer to
2007 Mitsubishi Endeavor (wifeys)
2002 Nissan sentra spec V
1998 Chev Malibu (wifeys)
1990 Mazda protege
1980? Ford Fairmont (also wifeys and the reason we had to get our first credit card!)
since I live in Alberta, I bet you I can walk to the parking lot outside right now and not find a single vehicle without a rock chip in the paint and or windshield (assuming it's more than a month old). Simple facts of vehicle ownership.
Now, as soon as someone invents deflector shields for a car and or the nice ol' armour that batman uses on his car I'm gonna buy it
tata for now,
Tigs
cheap bad everything - yea right - if your definition of cheap bad everything is not having alcantra leather and $40K worth of interior dead weight then I retract my statement - insult Chevy all you want - Ill take the cheap bad everything that gives me performance over poser looks... last I checked this was EXACTLY what the MS3 was - bang for your buck not poser looks for your buck-
funny you would think the engine/drivetrain/suspension/frame etc on the vette is cheap bad you obviously have no clue whats under there...should have stuck to the interior as thats the only item you have a leg to stand on and btw one item I would have agreed with you - in general American car companies interiors leave a lot to be desired.(Ford isnt better)
And yes I know we jacked the thread but I suspect it had run its course - I cant think of another fwd production car currently being produced that is faster which hasnt been mentioned yet
FMOS Racing
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- 2008 MS3, plus a pickup and a beater car
Interestingly, I would put the MS3's interior on about the same level as my former IS300's.
true dat, but hooptied up wagons are in style right now, so I can make fun of other cars
oaklandopen
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isn't that an oxymoron?
btw...the definition of "cheap" interior needs to be defined a little better. for example, my tacoma just had a tiny incandesant bulb blow behind the heating/ac controls. the bulb alone (because it's seperate from the plastic holding piece) is $9 from the dealer. now this bulb is smaller than a maglite bulb, and i don't think that's cheap at all, in that sense of the word
just because some ppl (including me) have dash rattle, doesn't mean it's only $4, but it also doesn't mean it's not $400.
"Cheap" has different meaning for most everyone. Cheap can refer to cost or quality. I usually try to say "inexpensive" for price, and "cheap" for quality. For me, a quality interior is one that does what it's supposed to do with minimal trouble and also provides a long service life. It doesn't have to be opulent to be good quality.
Something cheap is going to either not perform or perform for a short time, like the window cranks on my '68 Rambler. Those were not inexpensive and were cheap quality (or poorly designed but too many parameters here). BTW I replaced nearly as many window cranks on that car as shifters on my 125cc Yamaha enduro with electric start.
Then we have cheap imitations .... I'll stop.
Let's face it though, you get what you pay for, and you can't have everything for a bargain price. We payed for performance, not a fancy interior. I'm pretty sure a mz3 decked out to our price point wouldn't have a "cheap" interior or seem cheap in any way.
Cheap was my Ford Contour. The driver's side window rolling thing broke off, the window fell into the door a few months later, the cupholders broke, the shift column symbols (P D N R 1 2) fell apart, the air conditioner vent adjusters broke... the list went on and on.
My Protege5 interior looked like it did the day I bought it (almost) when I traded it in at 46,000 miles.
If the MS3 interior stands the test of time I'll be happy.
Oh god this thread. Sorry
My Protege5 interior looked like it did the day I bought it (almost) when I traded it in at 46,000 miles.
If the MS3 interior stands the test of time I'll be happy.
Oh god this thread. Sorry
tiagotiago
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Oh god this thread. Sorry
Exactly! It started out being "what's the fastest fwd car" and ended up being yet another cobalt vs 3 thread. Talk about insecure/jealous owners...
especially the vette, if you hate the vette ure just jealous u cant have one. you are buying performance, not a fancy interior. if your concerned about the interior on a performance vehicle you are out to lunch. chevy cobalt or vette ftw vs well anything in mazdas current lineup at least, maybe when the bring back the rx7 they will be more respectible. IMO rx8 is very very weak, mazdaspeed3 cant even beat a cobalt and the vette cannot even be compared as it is not in the same class. mazda better smarten up already, every MS vehicle has their quirks and the rx8 is too slow. i still love mazdas, just hope they will smarten up and make something better than a wagon with turbo, like a 2 door AWD hatch or a fast RWD styled like the kabura concept they revealed years ago. Id buy either of those in a second, a heavy wagon with a turbo that blows seals, no thanks Ill wait for the next gen of mazdas.
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I think Mazdaspeed got it almost perfect with the MS3, they were years ahead of the Cobalt SS and the Cobalt was getting the same 0-60 and 1/4 mile times by C&D, except that the cobalt has launch control and no lift shift. But I digress, Mazda beat the punch of the fast FWD segment, and now that the new cars are out to compete with it, the MazdaSpeed segment is already ahead of everybody and knows what they need to improve on there next Mazdaspeed car.
At the Mazdaspeed3 introduction, there were no cars in america that would compete in it's segment, I'm still proud of that, and you have to remember, that every bad thing that happens to someone's speed3, they will come on here and grip and kick up a storm, but for everybody else that the car is fine, they don't go on the forums and tell everyone that there car is doing great with no issues. So in other words, all you hear is the bad (which is like less than 1% of all Mazdaspeed3 owners) but you don't hear all the good (the other 99% of speed3 owners)
46,000 miles on my speed3 and have no issues (burnout)
builthatch
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really! that's surprising. i have both an Si and an MS3 GT, and the MS3 interior definately is superior. both are nice for cars under 25k, but the MS3 GT ftw.
Interior has alot to do with a car that you buy considering how much time you spend in it whether you are going fast or not. also, it's the one thing that is hard to adjust or modify, other than say digital appointments/additions and your seats. A drivetrain is something that is so easy to make propel faster than whatever else. My '87 Montero with a Starion Swap, which literally is a PNP swap, would make my silly two door mid/late 80's tan colored box faster than my Si. Does that make the Montero better than the Si? no, unless we are talking about 'better' for taking the dog to the beach.
BTW, where is the "worst thread ever" smiley?
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Have you spent time on civic forums like 8th gen, they go on about interiors and resale value when a car is faster than theirs, which is almost all sport compacts now, except the Spec V, but I tend to forget about that car.
