Failed piston ring?

You should try to figure out the cause of the debris, might avoid problems for others.

Kooldino said:
Good news guys:

I just pulled 2 of the crank journals off (one to the left and one to the right of the cylinder with the bad rod bearing), and they look pretty clean.

Then I re-insepected my oil "sucker" (the one with the screen on it. Anyone who's had these apart knows what I'm talking about). I noticed a few TINY peices of metal debris in it. I got them out as good as I could by hand, but really, the whole "oil sucker pipe" thing needed to be flushed out. I know this sounds bad, but I did so...in my kitchen sink. And a few debris that I didn't even see came out with it. Now I just gotta really make sure this sucker is dry before it goes back into the car.
 
Bigg Tim said:
Wouldn't you get an inconsistant surface if you do it by hand? I mean, if you hand lap it there is a chance of getting any 1 part of the surface higher or lower then the rest. Then if you try to bring the rest down, you may bring the lowest part down even more. Your hand is not the most precise machine.

I don't know anything about this process, I am just trying to correlate this to something else you would need a precise measurment on. Generally, you want to use a machine to give you a 100% equal surface on something that requires that tight of a clearance. I don't know what's involved in this and it may be easier then I think it is.
No... this isn't on the bearing.. just the support surface. You are only removing a few 10 thousandths of an inch (less than 5 more than likely) and that is so fine and so little that I believe that an experienced builder like mine has no issues doing so. Yeah it's crazy stuff but the guy has been building performance motors for like 15 years... and he specialized in performance rebuilds... owns a Pantera too :)
 
Brian MP5T said:
As Hondarific as this is, you would have to Sleeve It.. OMG(jerkit)
Fear not... I really have no plans past 400ish horse other than finding ways to put it to the ground safely and reliably.
 
Focus said:
You should try to figure out the cause of the debris, might avoid problems for others.
It APPEARED to be aluminum, so maybe it was small metal chips from the cracked ring land?
 
Kooldino said:
It APPEARED to be aluminum, so maybe it was small metal chips from the cracked ring land?
Was the ring cracked on that piston or on a n adjacent one?
 
Ok, the bottom end is built and the head is on, but not torqued down yet.

Interesting thing while building the bottom end:

I was testing how the rod bearings felt by installing rods onto the crank UPSIDE DOWN.

I started with Cyl 4 (the one with the bad rod bearing). Installed it upside down, torqued it, and rocked it back and forth for awhile.

When I took it back off, there was a groove where the old one was really grooved. Great, that meant it was the crank pin.

I looked closesly at the crank pin, but could only barely see a faint line on the crank. I ran my fingers across it, but couldn't feel it.

So, under the advice of MPNick, I got some sandpaper and got busy.

400->800->1500 grit.

within a few hours, the line was almost totally gone. Reinstalled the rod with more new bearings. Torqued it down, rotated it, pulled it back off. Seemed like pretty normal wear at that point.

I inspected the other 3 with the same techique, although I sanded crank pin 4 (the second most beat up one) just a tad before I tested it. They all came up clean.
 
well hopefully it stays instact for the winter for you! Glad you made so much progress though :)
 
Figured I should mention...

I sent my MP3 intake mani off to MAM to get extra injectors put in it. So in the meantime, I put on my spare ES intake mani...yup, with VTCS.

I didn't realize until after I had put it on, that they're going to stay closed all of the time, since the ECU can't open them (there are no wires in the harness). So, I kind of zip tied them open (which is damn hard to do when they're already installed in the car), and I'm hoping that they don't shut at random before I get my new intake mani on.

Anyone ever do this before?

I figured if it fails, I could somehow cut the pushrod from the actuator and zip tie it again since it would have no tension on it.
 
Kooldino said:
Figured I should mention...

I sent my MP3 intake mani off to MAM to get extra injectors put in it. So in the meantime, I put on my spare ES intake mani...yup, with VTCS.
Good idea, be sure to post pics.

Are you having any porting done while it is off?
 
PaulMP3 said:
Good idea, be sure to post pics.

Are you having any porting done while it is off?
I kind of did a quick port on it before. It all depends.
 
Damn Dana, we should of left those VTCS plates out. Eh I completely forgot about the damn EGR plug while working on everything else. Dude whats the progress for today? Let me know
 
Kooldino said:
Figured I should mention...

I sent my MP3 intake mani off to MAM to get extra injectors put in it. So in the meantime, I put on my spare ES intake mani...yup, with VTCS.

I didn't realize until after I had put it on, that they're going to stay closed all of the time, since the ECU can't open them (there are no wires in the harness). So, I kind of zip tied them open (which is damn hard to do when they're already installed in the car), and I'm hoping that they don't shut at random before I get my new intake mani on.

Anyone ever do this before?

I figured if it fails, I could somehow cut the pushrod from the actuator and zip tie it again since it would have no tension on it.
How come you didn't take it to Nick's? He's closer and knows his stuff. I believe he did one for Beavis.
 
I guess, Dino is in his garage right now sitting under the hood. Sorry man! if I would know that I wouldnt go to restaurant on Saturday, I would bring Dimitri over on Sat. morning and we would finish everything by Sunday night, eh.
 
Wait...on second thought about the VTCS...

If the intake mani is OFF of the car, are the VTCS butterflies OPENED or CLOSED by default?
 
Wait...on second thought about the VTCS...

If the intake mani is OFF of the car, are the VTCS butterflies OPENED or CLOSED by default?

I torqued the head on at 84 ft/lbs. 84 ft/lbs was LESS than 16 ft/lbs with 90* + 90*.

Note to self: Buy an exhaust mani stud, stat.
 

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