engine swap?

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2001 mazda protege mp3
i threw two rods in my mp3 and am looking for a new engine to put in it. i found one that came out of a 03 protege5 but it is a automatic and mine is a five speed. so will the flywheel line up right to bolt that motor on my transmission and if not can i use the flywheel from my engine?
 
yes you can use the p5 motor with the 5-speed transmission or with the auto transmission...they bolt up exactly the same
 
wrong
the automatic engines have a different MBSP, you will have to swap it (if it's not damaged) or get one

you will need to swap the intake manifold also as the MP3 one is unique
 
what the hell are you talking about?
the FS engine bolts directly up to both the 5-speed AND automatic transmissions, there is no difference....you simply take the bare shortblock and bolt up all the rest of the parts that you have (manifolds for example)

the shortblock is EXACTLY the same and had been for over a decade...my protege has a 1993 ford probe engine in it that I converted over to electronic ignition, the only difference in the shortblock itself was the camshafts and the oil pump...the rest were all exterior to the block and ALL of the modern components bolted up directly
 
I'm right and you're wrong
there IS a difference

search instead of wasting my time and destroying this thread
 
no, they are not different...explain to me how every p5 5-speed swap has accomplished this when the block does not bolt up?

I'm sorry but your high strung attitude does not mean you are accurate, provide evidence that the automatic transmission will NOT bolt to a block out of a 5-speed protege and I will eat my hat...good luck in finding that!
 
I don't think you are understanding me properly here when I'm saying a bare shortblock from an auto will bolt right up to the manual transmission....I.E. a few of the pieces external to the block will need to be swapped over from the blown engine
 
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I think this is an auto trans right?
 
yea, it is

oh yea, isn't that also the same motor that is now in jeanspeed's 5-speed protege? HMMMMMMMMM obviously doesn't bolt up, you're right theMAN! (jerkit)
 
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yes you can use the p5 motor with the 5-speed transmission or with the auto transmission...they bolt up exactly the same
they DON'T bolt up the same
the manual MBSP is shaped differently and has an extra bolt hole
that being said it doesn't fit the definition of "bolt up the same"

no where in my first reply did I ever make any mention that it won't bolt up, you are ASSuming I said it won't bolt up

what the hell are you talking about?
the FS engine bolts directly up to both the 5-speed AND automatic transmissions, there is no difference....you simply take the bare shortblock and bolt up all the rest of the parts that you have (manifolds for example)

the shortblock is EXACTLY the same and had been for over a decade...my protege has a 1993 ford probe engine in it that I converted over to electronic ignition, the only difference in the shortblock itself was the camshafts and the oil pump...the rest were all exterior to the block and ALL of the modern components bolted up directly
the shortblock is NOT exactly the same for over a decade
you call me "high strung" because a lot of people have a problem with how I say things and I don't care what you or they think... but the real problem is, you (and many others) don't trust what I said after YEARS AND YEARS with the *ability* to back up 99% of my posts

that being said, I'll say this again... don't waste my time and prove you wrong because it'll destroy this thread like all the other flaming pissants did in all the other threads they called me out on... this thread is already headed in that direction, so PLEASE STOP

now with that out of the way, I'll tell you the basic differences of the bad old probe/mx-6 piece of s*** engine:
-the crank is CAST not forged
-it has a bad flowing head (and intake manifold if you want to count that)
-there is NO place for a knock sensor (as reported by someone else on this board)
-there is NO coolant access hole for the factory oil cooler
-it has bad HLA cams and obviously a stupid distributor
obviously, you didn't care about the differences or care to find out... so as long as you're happy, it's all good

no, they are not different...explain to me how every p5 5-speed swap has accomplished this when the block does not bolt up?

I'm sorry but your high strung attitude does not mean you are accurate, provide evidence that the automatic transmission will NOT bolt to a block out of a 5-speed protege and I will eat my hat...good luck in finding that!

like I said, you ASSume I said it won't bolt up... I merely specified ONLY that the 5 speed and auto engines are different

your willingness to argue, and be arrogant only stops you from learning
so becareful with what you read and what you say because now you can have my honda hat and eat it too
 
Here's a shot of Jeanspeed's car being delivered just a day before that motor when into his MSP.


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it'll "fit", but you better damn make sure it's a protege engine and not from any other car unless you want to waste half a day swapping parts and getting a headache figuring out what needs to be swapped

one thing is for sure though, your starter will be missing one bolt if you put in an auto engine
 
Only the best for my friends, 02-03 protege 5 auto's. I feel the auto has dealt a lower rpm life usualy and like to chose those over the 5 spd models that i believe have been near the rev limiter to many times on the low hp cars.
 
they DON'T bolt up the same
the manual MBSP is shaped differently and has an extra bolt hole
that being said it doesn't fit the definition of "bolt up the same"

no where in my first reply did I ever make any mention that it won't bolt up, you are ASSuming I said it won't bolt up


the shortblock is NOT exactly the same for over a decade
you call me "high strung" because a lot of people have a problem with how I say things and I don't care what you or they think... but the real problem is, you (and many others) don't trust what I said after YEARS AND YEARS with the *ability* to back up 99% of my posts

that being said, I'll say this again... don't waste my time and prove you wrong because it'll destroy this thread like all the other flaming pissants did in all the other threads they called me out on... this thread is already headed in that direction, so PLEASE STOP

now with that out of the way, I'll tell you the basic differences of the bad old probe/mx-6 piece of s*** engine:
-the crank is CAST not forged
-it has a bad flowing head (and intake manifold if you want to count that)
-there is NO place for a knock sensor (as reported by someone else on this board)
-there is NO coolant access hole for the factory oil cooler
-it has bad HLA cams and obviously a stupid distributor
obviously, you didn't care about the differences or care to find out... so as long as you're happy, it's all good



like I said, you ASSume I said it won't bolt up... I merely specified ONLY that the 5 speed and auto engines are different

your willingness to argue, and be arrogant only stops you from learning
so becareful with what you read and what you say because now you can have my honda hat and eat it too


lol, your willingness to jump immediately to stating simply 'no they are not the same' (which IMPLIES that you are telling the OP that it will NOT bolt up, will not run, and should not be attempted) is what makes you look like an asshole

yes, they WILL bolt up and that has been proven thousands of times on this forum

yes, you are correct in that the probe engine has DIFFERENCES, but I stated that it BOLTS UP (and have proven so by the fact that it's in my car running as we speak)...I also stated that things had to be swapped over to the bare shortblock...lastly, I could care less about the internals to the engine, I only used it because I got it for cheap and it would bolt up and run fine, which it has

I don't care about being proven wrong, I have been proven wrong on this forum before and I have fully admitted to being proven wrong whenever I was...the only reason I even argued in the first place was because the OP asked a question, and you gave him an answer that implied that he could not use that engine which is entirely 100% FALSE

and maybe if you changed the way you stated things you wouldn't have so many "pissants" such as myself arguing with you, now would you?

suck a dick (yupnope)
 
maybe if you worded your original reply as "it bolts up, but your starter will be missing a bolt" will be taken a lot differently than just making an asinine remark like "bolts in the same" :wtf:

you're a dick yourself for ASSuming and arguing over a statement YOU originally made inaccurately
 
Only the best for my friends, 02-03 protege 5 auto's. I feel the auto has dealt a lower rpm life usualy and like to chose those over the 5 spd models that i believe have been near the rev limiter to many times on the low hp cars.
that's fine, particuarly for an MSP because the MBSP *has* to come off regardless of which version of the motor it is... you NEED to put in the MSP specific MBSP in order for the turbo drain back to work
 
Well the guy with 15 posts may not know everything so lets be friendly and help him out.

A 2.0L protege from the later model yr 02-03 will definately fit if it's an american motor. There are FS ZE motors in Japan that I don't know very much about so I'll leave those japanese motors alone for the time being. You may need to swap a few parts from your motor to get it to work right, obviously the flywheel and some other parts that I'm not to familiar with as I haven't actually taken any other part than tha oil pan girdle and the flywheel of the swaps that I have done.

Maybe the man can fill us in on the details that will make it work.
 
that's fine, particuarly for an MSP because the MBSP *has* to come off regardless of which version of the motor it is... you NEED to put in the MSP specific MBSP in order for the turbo drain back to work

Or you can plumb it into the actual oil pan but that doesn't always work best, but it can get you going again in a bad or desperate situation. But we're talking about MP3 so that part wont matter.
 
you already said it all as far as the basics
I already said the MP3 intake manifold is different so that HAS to be swapped or he's losing the uniqueness of the MP3

I also agree that you should stay away from all of those "low mileage japanese motors", and "our japanese import shop will help you get the low mileage japanese engine and install it"... you're really opening a can of worms on this... so do NOT get me started about this one thread on toprotege where this poor dude did exactly that with his MSP and had almost a year of nightmares getting his car running again because of bulls*** and dumbass "japanese specialists"
 

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