E-Manage powered Mazdaspeed!

[BinaryRotary]

yeh binary, how is the fmic creatin more air?? does the cooler of the air affect the ratio that much?? hmm either way cool s*** lol

I'm just thinking along the lines of that there is more air being ingested into the engine and its causing a lean a/f mixture.

 

[BinaryRotary]

I got a chance to play with it some more and it still ended up changing back to run like stock. I made it think the injectors were 15% larger and it ran great till i restarted the car. Never went over 80% duty cycle.

So next week the e-manage comes out, fmic comes out, car is going back to stock and being prepped to sell.

Is it the PCM going into idle thats affecting the settings or the tuning unit itself? I'm guessing the PCM since the E-manage saves settings.

 

[AutoBox]

my guess would be the ecu "reboots" its maps and settings and realizes the settings the e-manage is sendin doesnt match the ones on the ecu?!?!? this stuff is sad thou...really bums my hopes of gettin some good tuning done on the car without havin to go stand alone....oh well

 

[Bigg Tim]

You would think that even if the ecu reboots the maps, that the emanage would be able to overide it and make the ecu use the ones giving from the emanage. How is it working on the MP3? The maps are different between the MP3 and MSP, but the ecu is still the same one.

 

[EVILSRT]

I hear ya. I'm doing the same.

You really selling your car???

 

[jus10 msp]

well this is a long shot. but if you use a mp3 pcm and map it for the turbo then it would work. because it works fine on the mp3 and p5's. you would have to us the timing function to retard timing as the car goes into boost. terry could give you the fuel maps for the mp3. thanks for all your help and long hours trying to get the e management to work.

thanks justin h

 

[AutoBox]

suxs that we would have to do that...plus the fact that its not like mp3 ecu's are a dime a dozen......either way i think im gonna pick up a e-manage and see what happens......someone need sto figure this out....

 

[perfworks]

suxs that we would have to do that...plus the fact that its not like mp3 ecu's are a dime a dozen......either way i think im gonna pick up a e-manage and see what happens......someone need sto figure this out....

PM me

 

[MPNick]

You would think that even if the ecu reboots the maps, that the emanage would be able to overide it and make the ecu use the ones giving from the emanage. How is it working on the MP3? The maps are different between the MP3 and MSP, but the ecu is still the same one.

I have not seen this problem so far. We can hit the afr that we need. I do not see why MSP, MP3 or any other Protege.

We have run 8 psi without the extra injectors and the stock MAF on a MP3. AFR was around 11.8 on street testing.


Thanks again


Later................Nick

 

[turboge]

Bigg Tim - The ecu doesn't really reboot the maps, it stores values in the Long Term fuel trim at set rpms, then constantly changes the mix with short term fuel trim. In order to get a decent tune out of the vehicle you would have the tune the car over and over again until the ecu could not compensate any more.. at that point the CEL comes on.

MPNick - The exterior is the same, the programming is not. With the MP3 or P5 ECU there is no mid-range timing cut or jump to open loop. You can talk all day long about things working with MP3's or P5's, but until you start working with the MSP and an e-manage please refrain from comment.

Autobox - My e-manage will be available next week, PM me if you are interested.

 

[Dexter]

What if i swap ECUs with a P5?

 

[MPNick]

Bigg Tim - The ecu doesn't really reboot the maps, it stores values in the Long Term fuel trim at set rpms, then constantly changes the mix with short term fuel trim. In order to get a decent tune out of the vehicle you would have the tune the car over and over again until the ecu could not compensate any more.. at that point the CEL comes on.

[In closed lopp I can see this to a point but not in open loop. You should be able to add fuel with out the CEL.


Thanks again


Later.................Nick

 

[MPNick]

MPNick - The exterior is the same, the programming is not. With the MP3 or P5 ECU there is no mid-range timing cut or jump to open loop. You can talk all day long about things working with MP3's or P5's, but until you start working with the MSP and an e-manage please refrain from comment.]





Thanks, turboge for your idea's on the EEC-V. Not sure that I can agree with it but thats life. I know how it works and how much misinformation about it is on this forum, including this thread. I have also seen the program on how it works because we have been able to have it read[cracked].

I have tuned a MSP already. I did not have any of the problems that you had with the e-manage. I think it is the fastest MSP street car to date. Anyway if you install a piggy back you should be able to change the fuel and timing within reason. You should be able to make any ecu act like any other ecu.
I have no need to work with a e-manage, I have something that works right already.

Do not get me wrong all the work and the info that you found out is great for the forum. It helps people see what works and what does not.

Thanks again


Later................Nick

 

[turboge]

This thread will be suited for INFORMATION on the E-manage and its application to the Mazdaspeed protege. Please shy away from flames, off topic information, thread-jacks, slander, and anything not pertaining to the use of this system on the MSP.

I know you've tuned an MSP, but you didn't use an e-manage, and you don't know how it works on this car. In theory everything should work just like any other piggy back but thats not the case. When you have an OBD2 scanner plugged in and the tuning software right next to eachother and can see the changes that you've made being negated back and forth it leaves something to be desired.

OPEN loop tuning is not a large problem, however the problem is that the MSP ecu is not consistent in when it decides to go to OPEN loop. In some instances I could step on the gas and it would go OPEN instantly, but a majority of the time it would stay in CLOSED loop until a certain RPM was reached, and even then it wasn't consistent.

Your piggy back may work differently than the e-manage but that is not the discussion here.

Thanks again

Later.........

 

[InsidiousMSP]

You really selling your car???

Yup. Buying a '96 RHD 180SX.

 

[jus10 msp]

turboge i know what you mean about adjusting the fuel and getting a cel. mine did the same thing. i just hope someone can figure out way it does it. i'm done right know until somebody figures out a way to adjust the fuel.

thanks justin h

 

[MSpeed]

MPNick - The exterior is the same, the programming is not. With the MP3 or P5 ECU there is no mid-range timing cut or jump to open loop. You can talk all day long about things working with MP3's or P5's, but until you start working with the MSP and an e-manage please refrain from comment.]





Thanks, turboge for your idea's on the EEC-V. Not sure that I can agree with it but thats life. I know how it works and how much misinformation about it is on this forum, including this thread. I have also seen the program on how it works because we have been able to have it read[cracked].

I have tuned a MSP already. I did not have any of the problems that you had with the e-manage. I think it is the fastest MSP street car to date. Anyway if you install a piggy back you should be able to change the fuel and timing within reason. You should be able to make any ecu act like any other ecu.
I have no need to work with a e-manage, I have something that works right already.

Do not get me wrong all the work and the info that you found out is great for the forum. It helps people see what works and what does not.

Thanks again


Later................Nick

so when are you going to tell us about this thing that works? or even what it is?

 

[KzA]

lol man will you search

 

[boostisgood]

*offf topic*

Nick, what MSP did you tune ? and what unit did you use ? Just curious is all. I have yet to see anything regarding this.

 

[Bigg Tim]

http://www.msprotege.com/vbb225/showthread.php?threadid=41579

top of the list. Sorry for the jack turboge.