dont hate me fot this...

[2K3 MSP]

Umm, the United States' involvement in other countries extends way beyond the few years GWB has been president. The US is always up in everyone else's business, and what do we get for it?? Criticism. If the US Government really kept their eyes and ears on it's own people, we would(im my opinion) be a lot better off than ANY other country. Look at how much money we dish out to help all the under-developed countries, all the aid we give to other countries in their times of need(which seems to be ALWAYS). We are HELPING Iraq regain it's freedom(which can not happen with Hussein in power), and Bush says the US will pull out when democracy has been restored. As far as that is concerned, only time will tell. All in all, Bush may have started the war, but somebody had to do it, or Saddam might have done it for us...Seriously, he had NUCLEAR WEAPONS. What purpose do they serve?? We may lose a few soldiers to the cause, but it's better than losing the freedoms we have. They will not have died in vain.

Daemos, you may be glad Canada didn't get involved, but your country will benefit from this too.

 

[scootzpr5]

what happened when we were keeping to ourselves? Thousands of inocent people were killed on Sept 11. And Daemos, you dont seriously think Bsh has complete control do you? Do you understand the system of checks and balances?? People can "veto" the president. He needs congress for just about everything. If I'm not mistaken, the president can send troops in for up to 90 days before congress declares war, then if war is not declared, Bush has to pull the troops out. So, what I'm getting at is, The U.S. is not run by communism. Bush is trying to liberate Iraq so "the people" have the chance to decide how to run their country. I appologize if I'm bashing anyone, I just dont like it when people bash our President. He has done more for the military than any other president since Reagan! I cant wait for the chance to vote for him again.
my $0.02 AMERICAN

 

[boostisgood]

I'm personally sick of bush and his government's "democracy" BS. Everyone who is not blinded by america's power knows, Bush just wants things his own way, and no one elses, because since he controls america, he thinks he's the head honcho. That's not democracy, that's communism.

If GWB really wanted democracy, he would of let the Iraqis decide what to do. What GWB really wants to do is be in control of what every other country does.

I'm anti-bush.

I'm proud to be canadian, because we're not stupid enough to fight this war.

I'm not attacking the soldiers, I'm attacking GWB who thinks he can control the world. Really his form of democracy, is that he controls what other world governments do, he even defiled the UN. Moron, he's the biggest communist in the world right now.

nos this is a qoute from my last post:
Much of the details are unclassified now, and can be found on the net. Take the time away from this forum to look it up before you reply please, because an educated opinion gets more respect then a half assed opinion. (note:this last remark is not made towards any previous post in this thread, but a direct request for any future post, as you will get flamed then )

Did you not read my last post with this last request in it? Dood you got to be the stupidest Cannuck alive. What the hell do you know about George Bush, except what your fasist, goverment controlled news bradcasts about him.

First, the Iraqis cannot fend off the Saddam Regime, It has been tried since 1960's for the Baath Party to be overthrown, they are too powerfull.

Iraq has had 12 years to comply, diplomatically, to the sanctions, and compliance for no WMD. THEY HAVE FAILED. Thus, the need to remove him by military force.

The UN, ha, it died when Russia broke apart in the 90's. The
US IS the UN. Again read my previous post in regards to the other major nations on the security council, as I do not want to waste anymore time on that.

Third, How ******* dare you call my commander and chief a communits? Take your idiotic ideas, and screwed up, twisted, influenced by the French attituse and join em, cause they will be next on the list as overtly supporting terrorisim. (upyours)


Ohhh on a last note, be glad we are not truly, nor our president, a communist, or we could just ANNEX Canada, like Iraq tried with kuwait in 1990. Sleep well knowing that it is really AMERICA keeping Canada safe, not Canada. (sorry for any other Canadian that might be offended, but this guy needed flamed bad.) (flame2)

 

[HADA 11]

boostisgood,

My head nearly imploded when I read your post. Take some of your own advice.

... an educated opinion gets more respect then a half assed opinion.

Canada is certainly not a fascist state. Are you sure you know what a fasist (fascist?) is?

Goverment (Government?) controlled bradcasts (broadcasts?)
WTF are you talking about? Our media enjoys the same freedoms yours does. In fact our media reports are very impartial.

What does Communism have to do with annexing another state? Did you mean imperialism?

Again, heed your own advice, lest you sound like a fool.

This Canadian's opinion it that GWB is not much of a diplomat. He's only considering the well being of US with his actions. He's goddamned right to do it too.

On 9-11 his country was attacked with no provocation, his citizens were killed for no reason.

His country is the primary focus of the worlds terrorists. Not France, Germany or Canada. Children in terrorist states are taught that the Americans are devils and should be killed. The US is facing a very uncertain and dangerous future and they can't sit and wait because some countries have other interests.

Why should GWB give a s*** what the UN says when his country is that one that stands to lose the most?

It's hard to be diplomatic when diplomacy doesn't seem to work.

Remember back in 2001, after the 9-11 attacks, when everyone was commenting that the world would be a very different place? Well welcome to planet earth post 9-11. The civilized nations of the world need to create a different method of dealing with governments that have no interest in making the world a better place. The UN will no longer work especially when quick decisions need to be made. We need to work together and help each other rather than making bull headed statements like France has made.

I would have liked to see Canada offer their assistance to the Coalition of the Willing. Canada and the US depend on each other in so many aspects it doesnt make sense for us not to back the US now. PM Chretien and President Bush met some time ago to discuss this issue and some understanding was reached. I hope Chretien hasnt jeopardized something that has taken a long time to build.

Finally Id like to say to the Americans on this board that while the Canadian government isnt with you, many Canadian citizens certainly are. We wish your men and women in service get the job dome and all come home safe.

 

[boostisgood]

Well, we all say things that may make us sound like asses when fired up. My apology for any offense I have made towards you.

I felt compelled to go all out on that gentleman, accusing, and obviously not researching, before his little spiteful post. (after calming down and reading mine, it is somewhat out of line.)

Also to expand on your thread Hada, it IS about time that the US said to hell with what the world thinks, lets take care of our business on our own.

It is a new world now. One that see's, terrorisim, and support/harboring, terrorisim, will bring swift and total punishment from a global stand. (there are over 40 nations currently supporting the actions in Iraq. That is more then what supported Desert Storm.)

 

[Daemos]

I would like to apologize first...talk about war just pisses me off. It's because I hate it, how would you feel if you were living in iraq right now? Countless of innocent lives are SUFFERING all because of one man's (or what seems to be only one man) decision.

He's not a communist to the US...I'm just saying, he likes to take
things into his own hands, and thinks the rest of the world has to agree with him.

Even if no one else does, he'll still go in and fight his own war, even against other people's wishes.

me saying he is communist maybe extreme.

But, he's a fine president, he is good with democracy in the states. That's where he should stay.

I'm saying he's like a communist who does anything he wants to the rest of the world, and doesn't give a s*** what anyone else has to say. Sure there are checks and balances, but most likely he's gonna get congress to agree anyways, although most other contries in the world are against it. Again communist is probally too strong of a word, more like umm overpowering person who tries to do too much, because he thinks he can.

It's because of that attitude, that america is hated in alot of places around the world.

Go to rome, greece, china, taiwan, japan, hong kong, have a friend say he's canadian, and say you're american.

Look at the diffrence in reception, cuz there will be a large one. Want proof? Go do it, I've been around the world, I've been with americans, I've been with other canadians, I've been in mixed tours, and it's funny how Canadians always seem to be treated better than the Americans, because Americans always claim they're better than Canadians...if that was true...why are we the ones that get respect? Why is it that when I went to asia/europe with a tour group, that all the americans were told to sew Canadian flags on their bags, even though this WAS a tour out of America. Wonders what respect the Canadian flag can bring.

I'm just saying, if America can have nuclear weapons, why can't anyone else? I'm pretty sure america still has some.

This is why people attack america, and not canada. There are reasons for things, if America wants something to be done, they should do it first.

Other than all the sensless killing, I guess I should be glad, it seems the canadian dollar has slowly risen because of all this war.

War is sensless, it should be avoided at all costs.

It's funny though, although America is easily 10X our size, and the military is probally 100X larger than ours, since we don't have any focus on war, nor are we really in any danger, we don't need a big military.

But atleast we know, and it's true, that the Canadian Armed Forces is atleast 3X better trained than the average American Soldier.

I really don't care what happens now. As long as it gets done right. Hopefully too many people won't be throwing their lives away for nothing, because that would be sad. War is just another excuse to kill another person that's all.

All we can do now is pray for the safety of everyone, that's fighting this war. May it end in peace.

 

[Daemos]

May God protect all those involved. Military or Civilian, none deserve to die. We have no right as humans to decide who lives or dies.

 

[gobbledygoo]

First off I hope that the men and women involved in this war turn out ok. They didn't make the decision to go to war. They were simply following orders, as they were sworn to. And they're doing a great job! (usa)

Now off to the topic.

One of the reasons that the Bush administration has stated as motive for this war is to combat terrorism. But bombing the heck out of a country isn't the way. I agree that Hussein should step down but terrorism will not end when the current Iraqi regime changes. Terrorism comes from generations of hatred against an ethnic group or a country and it cannot be stopped overnight.

What do you think will happen to those terrorists, wherever they are, when the war starts? They will certainly see this as a blow to "their kind" and would plot on retaliatory actions against the "enemy" - in this case the US and UK. Ironic that a war with the intention of dealing a blow to terrorism will probably breed even more future terror attacks, isn't it?

Peter Jennings said it best tonight during the ABC live coverage on the war, after they had shown anti-war and anti-US demonstrations around the world: "It is very hard for the Americans to see all this anti-American sentiment around the world, especially on the day that the administration had cited increased public support for the coalition of forces from countries around the world."

It is a hard fact to swallow when you see someone else put down something you strongly believe in. A good example would be someone bashing about MSP's on this board I think that's why many Americans feel they're under unfair attack from other countries condemning the war that Bush and Blair have authorized. And rightly so - we should all support our countries and our leaders. But perhaps if you calm down and step back a little upon seeing a seemingly hostile opinion, then you can debate it in a civil manner and healthy debates are always good and welcomed. (drinks)

 

[buster]

Didn't the US help put Saddam in power originally? Aren't a good portion of their weapons US in origin? Also, US foreign policy of old is why they have been targeted for so many years. I don't think that many people realize how the US gov't has twisted and manipulated other peoples and gov'ts for their benefit in the past.
That said, I think that Saddam should be taken down, but I just wish that Bush had made a case with the UN and had more support. More time to get more countries completely on side, including Canada. I applaud Chretien for standing up and saying that we would not send troops in, but at the same time we have a lot to be thankful for with the US as our neighbours and we should show more good will and support. Lastly, I am 100% behind those fighting the war, be safe and come home alive. They deserve all the respect for the job they are undertaking.

 

[ZackyFarms]

ok, this is my opinion and some of you may not agree at all. Im pakistani but have been born in raised in the US and i love my country, my brother is a Marine. I really oppose war but I will stand by our troops. That ISNT hypocritical as the troops are just doing theyre job and doing what theyre told to do....

but like if you think about it, going to war will just increase anti-american sentiment among arab states and even normally "pro-american" arabs. Like MORE muslims will be swayed to the "terrorist" side. i mean, its not that clear cut but i think u get the point. Like basically people will hate the US more. and it will give muslims, who arent like "aware," a reason to claim "jihad" on the US and its people. Like its pretty much BS, there are other countries which pose a greater threat to the US such as north korea, they have the ability to launch a nuclear warhead on the west coast. At the same time, a lot of our closest allies are totalyl against us going in, its like we totally ignored international policy which we set up after WWII(like the UN). At the same time, theres already a lot of anti-american sentiment in IRAQ and a "regime change" never comes easy. we will have to occupy the country for years to come, and there will for sure be a lot of civil unrest.This means that its gonna cost more and increases the possibility of innocent deaths on both the iraqi and american side. Like im more against the consequences of war as oposed to war itself.

Sorry if ive pissed anyone off, but to each his own, god bless..

 

[Antoine]

** I find myself moving more and more threads (like this one) from the MSP forum to a more suitable forum...I know many of the MSP members are new...but please SCROLL down once in a while. **

 

[sleeper_]

thank you Antoine, it pisses me off to see people post OT topics just for more "exposure".. grrr.. <-- OT itself. hehe

 

[sleeper_]

daemos, you're right in that canadians get more respect etc.. and in support of your statement that americans THINK they're "better" than canadians is true for the most part.. and contributing to this is the fact that many americans are NAIVELY patriotic and COMPLETELY and HOPELESSLY blind to what their country has been responsible for (posted this last part in my own thread, heh), but it's so true.

it's that unfounded american arrogance that seems to get them in a lot of trouble, no offense to Americans that don't hold this sentiment.