phantomspeed
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hi i have a question i have a k&n intake on my 09 speed with a forge bov and a trz rear dogbone with the upgrades i have mainly the intake is tuning neccesary at this point?
does an intake warrant tuning
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phantomspeed
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awesome i notcied in your mod list the turbo inlet pipe when you nstalled that did it make a diffrence in erfomance that was noticable
Yes, but it's not a power mod. You'll get smoother acceleration/powerband and quicker turbo spool. I know this because I used to ride through some back road when car was stock and wouldn't use 5th gear ,but after the install of the intake and inlet car would ask me to shift to 5th. If you install it don't be looking for that performance just drive like you always do and you'll notice rpm will climb quicker than usual. Also, your intake suction noise well get louder. Since the turbo inlet is placed between intake and turbo I say might as well upgade and complete the package. Since the install I have no problems with the PG TIP and you don't need a tune.
http://www.protegegarage.com/1644-pg-turbo-inlet-mazdaspeed-23.html
You have little clue to what you're talking about.
An intake (especially when combined with an inlet pipe) or a tune is certainly a 'power' mod as many people see gains upwards of 20whp with an intake and inlet alone.
What do you think is making the revs climb faster? Power.
To answer the OP's question; no, a tune is not required if you install an intake (sri/cai/tip/or a combo w/ a tip) but there is potential for more power and/or smoother power delivery if it is tuned.
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The ECU will make adjustments to account for the additional air, so no a tune is not necessary. However, you will find that your long term fuel trims will be high. I've been running an AEM CAI for about two years and have not had any issues (because, like I said, the ECU compensates). However, I am now running an OTS map and am getting AFRs as low as 8.7 at WOT (pig rich), so tuning and leaning it out would give me a lot more power (Cobb has ignored two requests for ATR).
No tune needed.
Only possible exception would be if your K&N has any sort of curve in the tube between the filter and the MAF sensor housing and if it does not have an air straightener. A curve in the intake ahead of the MAF can produce turbulence and mess up the accuracy of the MAF signal to your ECU.
If the pipe is straight, don't worry. If it is curved and you have an air straightener inside the pipe to smooth out the air going over the MAF, don't worry. If you have a curved pipe ahead of the sensor and no air straightener, you could have an erroneous air to fuel ratio signal going to your ECU and might benefit from a tune.
Regarding turbo inlet pipe on this engine: I don't believe in them. The stock pipe flows more air volume and mass than the turbo compressor can handle, IMHO. It may be shaped strangely, but it's the flow that matters. There is no objective data from dyno pulls that aftermarket inlets increase power. Subjective opinions on it making the engine more responsive are just that - personal opinions that seem not to be validated by objective data.
Can you buy one that "looks" less restrictive? yes. Does it objectively perform better? I know of no evidence to indicate that.f
Some guys get one because it makes their bpv or bov sound louder. If that is their real reason, then fine. I think buying an inlet pipe is money that could be spent more productively on the exhaust side. Money applied towards a test/race pipe or better yet, toward a high flow downpipe/race pipe combo connected to the stock CBE would produce real power gains in tandem with a good intake.
Just one opinoin.
Only possible exception would be if your K&N has any sort of curve in the tube between the filter and the MAF sensor housing and if it does not have an air straightener. A curve in the intake ahead of the MAF can produce turbulence and mess up the accuracy of the MAF signal to your ECU.
If the pipe is straight, don't worry. If it is curved and you have an air straightener inside the pipe to smooth out the air going over the MAF, don't worry. If you have a curved pipe ahead of the sensor and no air straightener, you could have an erroneous air to fuel ratio signal going to your ECU and might benefit from a tune.
Regarding turbo inlet pipe on this engine: I don't believe in them. The stock pipe flows more air volume and mass than the turbo compressor can handle, IMHO. It may be shaped strangely, but it's the flow that matters. There is no objective data from dyno pulls that aftermarket inlets increase power. Subjective opinions on it making the engine more responsive are just that - personal opinions that seem not to be validated by objective data.
Can you buy one that "looks" less restrictive? yes. Does it objectively perform better? I know of no evidence to indicate that.f
Some guys get one because it makes their bpv or bov sound louder. If that is their real reason, then fine. I think buying an inlet pipe is money that could be spent more productively on the exhaust side. Money applied towards a test/race pipe or better yet, toward a high flow downpipe/race pipe combo connected to the stock CBE would produce real power gains in tandem with a good intake.
Just one opinoin.
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Of course it has potential to make power but alone its self is not a power mod. If it was then why don't vendors put up hp numbers and say this is how much HP you well gain, like they do with intakes. The reason I say it's not a power mod is because alot of people instal them expecting to make power like an intake. Then they come here and say stuff like they didn't feel a difference. But thats your opinion, I'll stick with mines.
once again, you being a dick. And yes, I can tell you from experience that a TIP does not warrant more than 5HP (Maybe.) That being said, it does add a nice noise, and the turbo spools much faster, and boost recover is much better. One does not install a TIP for power. The reason you are seeing 20HP from an Intake and Inlet is because the Intake is replacing that garbage stock airbox and freeing up some power. 90% of said gains are most likely coming from the CAI or SRI alone.
ahaha...look at like all of his posts. He is a DICK
@ MSMS3
I have done datalogs before and after installing the TIP. I agree that anyone that claims to have an increase in power is suffering from the placebo effect....however.
Datalogging shows that the turbo will spool 100-300 rpm sooner in the powerband, pushing the powerband to the left. so, it doesnt make more peak power, only more area under the curve at the bottom end.
I have done datalogs before and after installing the TIP. I agree that anyone that claims to have an increase in power is suffering from the placebo effect....however.
Datalogging shows that the turbo will spool 100-300 rpm sooner in the powerband, pushing the powerband to the left. so, it doesnt make more peak power, only more area under the curve at the bottom end.
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only if your a dumbass and go WOT at 1800rpm
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That would be "dumbfoot"
Likely due to the limitations of the stock intake, an inlet pipe alone won't make much of any difference unless it is combined with a less restrictive intake.
You two nancys need to man up and stop whining like little girls. Crying about someones post isn't going to change what you've read.
Look who's talking. Seems to me you are crying lol.
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