do u dislike ur mazdaspeed?

twiztedjeckel said:
don't worry newbie. you'll get to that point once you realize there's better cars out there without hesitation and clunking problems that handle just as well and have a better build quality to them along with more power. till then go back to sniffing asses or glue or whatever floats your boat

my point here. so you want to trade away clunking and hesitation problem for a very delicate engine that would costs around 5k each time you blow a seal. not to mention you probably have to remachine it every 50k miles. and you know the rx7 clunks too.
 
have you ever been around or involved in the rotary scene? if so you'd know that alot of those cars are untouchable when it comes to performance and looks. sure they can be problematic but for the most part can be pretty bulletproof as far as the engines go if you maintain them properly.there's only 3 moving parts on the damn things,its not too tuff to keep them working. tuning on the other hand can be tricky
 
Anyone else think it's funny that so many ppl bitched about Mazda delaying the inital release to fix problems, now alot of these same ppl are bitching about stuff being wrong w/ their cars?
 
twiztedjeckel said:
have you ever been around or involved in the rotary scene? if so you'd know that alot of those cars are untouchable when it comes to performance and looks. sure they can be problematic but for the most part can be pretty bulletproof as far as the engines go if you maintain them properly.there's only 3 moving parts on the damn things,its not too tuff to keep them working. tuning on the other hand can be tricky

Ummm... lemme me see... ughhhh...read Dr. Wankel's rotary engine in English and German...ughhh... full CAD model of a working .3L single rotar engine. So no hands on, but done the math homeworks on it. Yes I agree with you the sheer amount of potential on it. In fact, I would rather get a 2002 Spirit R RX7 than a 2003 360 Modena. I think the rotary engine is great, even though it has a larger combustion area=more heat loss=less efficient combustion. Of course any car properly maintained is going to keep working. But have you read the TSB and other bunch of fixes that are on the RX7? They are numerous and I would say they are about as "lengthy" as MSP.

I'm not arguing with you that there are cars out there with more "potential." I love my MSP, b/c I like handling, and I like a FWD that's neutral in steering and can drift out of the box. I dont' care that much about HP #. If I do, I get a big ole muscle car, cuz that's what they're good for. Maybe it's b/c of my strong love with GT racing and Formula One, that going fast down 1/4 miles isn't "motorsport" enough for me. ehhh. BUt I can see your frustration with all the bulls you pull through. Good luck with whatever you do man.
 
thts wht i'm talking about YuYu! I love gt racing, and i love drifting! becuz its more dependent upon car handling and skill.
 
Yo my friend that was test driving the MSP in Detroit, drifted the car while he's "test driving" the salesman was there and he didn't say a word, cool eh?
 
drifting a FF? lol, didn't say word? prolly scared shitless, drifting in a FF is not a good idea, unless u are extremely good at it. There was this guy at the drift spot we go to (raining and everything) well he went too fast and spun out and crashed into a pole.
 
YuYuRena said:
my point here. so you want to trade away clunking and hesitation problem for a very delicate engine that would costs around 5k each time you blow a seal. not to mention you probably have to remachine it every 50k miles. and you know the rx7 clunks too.

you know not what you speak. the rx7 is one bad ass car and mine never clunked. on top of that, until just recently (and still sometimes to this day), the number one cars in the drags are rx7s. any rx7 has more potential than the msp could ever dream to have. i also dont have the slightest clue where you get delicate engine either. i beat the **** outta my rex and she had 92k on her odometer. the only problem i had was she wouldnt pass emissions.
 
I love this damn thing. I also love its slalom times! The pessimistic people who dont like their car should buy another one.
 
Matthew said:
you know not what you speak. the rx7 is one bad ass car and mine never clunked. on top of that, until just recently (and still sometimes to this day), the number one cars in the drags are rx7s. any rx7 has more potential than the msp could ever dream to have. i also dont have the slightest clue where you get delicate engine either. i beat the **** outta my rex and she had 92k on her odometer. the only problem i had was she wouldnt pass emissions.

well jesus fricking christ, the rx7 costed 2.5x the amount of a brand new msp! dont try to compare apples with oranges man. the rx7 was made for performance. It's one of those "supercars" along with the supra. the msp is just a "best bang for the buck" or "hot topped econo car" deal. s***, a decade ago there was no category for the msp genre of cars (ie srt neon, spec v, gti, etc). You jus cant compare the two.
 
pay attention you moron. he said for the price. for the price, you can get a used 3rd gen rx7 for around 11-13k

(http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6327&item=2436977784)

and that car would whoop any msp on this board. and look a hella lot nicer doing it. oh, and take the extra 6k (or more depending on what you paid for your msp) and put it into upgrades and you prolly got yourself a ten second car or close to it. something ill bet none of these msps EVER reaches on this board. granted, its almost 10 years old, but its its got 61k miles. and if you take care of it, you have nothing to worry about anyhow. id rather drive a 94 rx7 TT over a 2003 protege any day. thats ANY protege. or ANY car mazda makes for that matter now.
 
Matthew said:
pay attention you moron. he said for the price. for the price, you can get a used 3rd gen rx7 for around 11-13k

(http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6327&item=2436977784)

and that car would whoop any msp on this...car mazda makes for that matter now.

lmao
wow u can sure make a point! thank u captain obvious for stating the obvious! "oh the rx7 is more badass than the msp."
first off the reserve price isnt even met yet. And, if it is sold for under 20k, thats awesome, and, ur right, it will still be better than the msp. look, i doubt any person in this forum will say that an msp is better than the rx7. And oh gee, why didnt i think of that! buying a used rx7...and modifying it... gosh thats so ingenious...u must be the first! But u know what, everyone (including you too captain) has their own reason not doin that, whether it be within or out of their control.
 
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siberiankiss said:
then why do you have a protege?

i drive a protege because i needed an economy car capable of carrying all my military gear and that still had a standard transmission. for the money this is what i thought was best. further, read below

lmao
wow u can sure make a point! thank u captain obvious for stating the obvious! "oh the rx7 is more badass than the msp."
first off the reserve price isnt even met yet. And, if it is sold for under 20k, thats awesome, and, ur right, it will still be better than the msp. look, i doubt any person in this forum will say that an msp is better than the rx7. And oh gee, why didnt i think of that! buying a used rx7...and modifying it... gosh thats so ingenious...u must be the first! But u know what, everyone (including you too captain) has their own reason not doin that, whether it be within or out of their control.

right, but yet im not the one in this thread bitching about my car and how slow it is for the money either. all i was simply saying was, if you spent that kind of money, and were expecting something in the performance range of a WRX or EVO, then you were an idiot when you could have done something like modify the RX7.

furthermore, i was replying to the fact that yuyurena was saying that if you traded away the clunking msp, you would get an equally problematic and delicate car, the rx7. my reply was based on the fact that i was rebutting his claim that the rx7 was equally as bad as the msp, until you chimed in and decided to take it as, i was telling msp owners they made a mistake buying the msp and should have modded an rx7. obviously everyone cant drive a small ass car like that for different reasons. so next time you decide to chime in like a retard, read the context of the discussion.

to reiterate one last time since you seem to have trouble reading posts -

1) he inferred the rx7 was equally problematic and delicate
2) i disagreed and said that there was not nearly the problems by stating that:
a) mine never clunked, and rebutting the fact that it was delicate by saying:
b) i had over 90k miles on mine with no problems
c) i beat the s*** out of it with no problems
d) the number one drag cars are/were consistently rexes which is basically me saying that if the engine was so delicate, they wouldnt be drag cars, modified or not.
3) since you were compelled to be and idiot and post something totally out of context what i was saying, and try to prove that the rx7 USED to be 2.5x the cost of a MSP TEN years ago, i was compelled to show you that if you really wanted to compare price for price what you COULD do to mod a really fast car. but again, that wasnt the point of the post. but you knew that, right? :rolleyes:

so sit down and read, then after you learn what the hell is going on, maybe consider posting.
 
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Matthew said:
you know not what you speak. the rx7 is one bad ass car and mine never clunked. on top of that, until just recently (and still sometimes to this day), the number one cars in the drags are rx7s. any rx7 has more potential than the msp could ever dream to have. i also dont have the slightest clue where you get delicate engine either. i beat the **** outta my rex and she had 92k on her odometer. the only problem i had was she wouldnt pass emissions.

"Suspension noise," is what alot of old RX7 suffers, sounds like a clunk to me. Delicate engine it is. considering it only has 1 sealing elements against piston engine's three. So if 1 fails then you got no sealing, it's that simple, isn't that "delicate." And I'm glad you have nothing wrong with your engine at 95K miles. But then again, is every MSP owner have the same problem that T3ase has? Sure you can get a used car for the same price as MSP and make it faster, ok, I can get an ole 94 Impreza and swap a EJ20 with STi transmission and I'll kill any EVO and STi on the street. And it'll probably come out to be cheaper than a brand new MSP off a stealership's lot. So what you mean by potential? If you're trying to measure it on an equal basis, I don't know how I can measure it, cuz of it's design differences (chassis, drivetrain, engine).

I'm curious on this number 1 in the drags are RX7? What happened to the good ole Detroit Muscle car? And if so, much $ did it take to make RX7 the #1 drag car? Educate me in this. I don't know that much about drag so I wouldn't know about this. If you want to talk racing (a sport where more than pedal to the metal is require), then yes RX7 is an awesome car for racing.
 
Matthew said:
pay attention you moron. he said for the price. for the price, you can get a used 3rd gen rx7 for around 11-13k

(http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6327&item=2436977784)


if you go down to the bottom and read the fine print, "Kelly Blue Book Retail Value on this RX7 is $19,170 and this RX7 is super nice and clean and worth every penny but we have set our reserve just under $17,500"...last time i checked...17,500 was more than i paid for my msp...sorry...but i'd rather get a brand new car for that much money...
 
I do not dislike my MSP. It has it's problems, it also puts big grins on my face on a regular basis.
 
No one has answered the question as to what the other option to the MSP is... The closest so far is the WRX. When I had a Miata we used to have this same debate on the Miata forum. Which sporty convertible would you rather have for the price? There isn't one worth considering... I think people just don't know what they want... more on that later..

I considered the Legacy GT and the Impreza RS. I also considered a used RX-7, the VW GTI, Mazda6, and Saab 9-3 to replace my impractical Miata. The 3rd gen RX-7's are my favorite car. However, I learned it doesn't have any more practicality than a Miata and they all need more work than I was willing to supply.

I decided to set a budget of 20-27,k.. out the door... I test drove the MSP after driving a VW GTI and Mazda6s. It was hands-down the best handling, most balanced, and best size for ME and for the price. I decided that the MSP satisfied everything I wanted in a car and it did it for cheap.

I don't think a lot of people know what makes them happy or satisfied in life and therefore that holds true for car decisions. Then, they b**** about it because they still don't know what will make them happy or satisfied. Which is proven by the fact that no one has said they really wished they'd bought car X over the MSP and it met the same goals as when they were considering the MSP.
 
I love how you all jumped on matt for ONLY backing up one point Jeckle had, and disproving a single point Yu-Yu made about RX-7 relibilty.

THATS ALL HE ******* DID!!!!!.
HE WAS'T EVEN COMPARING THE CARS


Then he catches s*** and simple says he rather have an RX-7 over a protege 5, SO WOULD JUST ABOUT EVERYONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

To everyone that jumped at him for that, YOU ARE A RETARD!!
 

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