Price paid for 2K3 MSP
I negotiated a price of $18,946 (USD) on a 2003 tangerine dream. It was dealer stickered at something like $22,900. NOT!
That's $18426 + $520 destination charge. Took me about 2 hours to negotiate it, had 2 salesmen and the sales manager whining about how they were losing money and the owner of the dealership was going to have their heads if they sold the car at that price, yadda yadda yadda...After my state taxes and tags, my final out the door bill was $20,334. I would have liked to have been in at $18,600 on the neotiated price, however for such a neat car, I was not going to quibble over $350.
Two years ago I was able to negotiate a $22,700 deal on a $26,000 Explorer for my wife. I like to beat car salesmen down to the point where they sell me the car at my asking price to simply get rid of me. They'll make their money on the next guy. Had the saleslady crying when we finally closed the deal on that Explorer.
Do I feel bad? No, they'll rip you off with a smile on their face. Play the game back. Car salesmen are never very friendly to me after a sale. Wonder why? :>
If you know the *true* dealer cost, you can usually get 2-4% over that number. I've been told that *true dealer cost* is usually about 83% of the factory MSRP shown. (That number may vary depending on the car, lower priced vehicles tend to have narrow margins). Any dealer markup beyond factory MSRP that is ripping you off. (MSRP is ripping you off too, remember that).
I also strongly recommend anyone considering purchasing any new car check out the following websites:
http://www.carbuyingtips.com
http://www.fightingchance.com
Don't go shopping without at least reading carbuyingtips.com
A female friend of mine once said, "I'd rather marry a garbage man than a car salesman".
I enjoy the thrill of haggling price, and I really didn't need a new car, my old one is still chugging along, so I had the luxury of time. I simply found it a neat little car that handled well.
As I'm finding, there's a lot of resources and good information from other MSP owners. I'll probably make this site a regular stop.
The kids *love* the car. My 14 year old son now wants me to drive him everywhere, suddenly it's cool to be seen with pops I guess. My 17 year old daughter just keeps shaking her head and saying, "I can't believe you bought a bright orange car".
To anyone reading who is contemplating the purchase of a MSP, do it! It's a fun little machine.
-lyserjic
BTW, I've started a channel on the EFnet Irc network, #mazdaspeed. I need a few folks who might want to op.
If you don't know what IRC is, go here:
http://www.irchelp.org/
(And no, you CANNOT take legal action against me if you become addicted to IRC..) :>