.. Decisions...

MarkOHaran

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2008 Mazdaspeed 3 GT
I bought the CPE triple gauge pod, and three gauges. WB a/f, boost, and EGT... I have all stock exhaust. Is it worth welding in the bung downpipe for the O2 sensor, and drilling the manifold for the pyro probe... or should I just wait until I get the Cobb DP....? This still leaves me the question of the manifold. Does anyone know of someone selling a manifold thats ready to go for the probe? Theres different things I planned on doing to the MS3 before hitting up the exhaust upgrades. Advice, opinions?
 
I say wait till you get the DP before you do all that, you would have to take it off anyway once you get the new stuff in.
 
Do you plan on changing the manifold in the next year? If not slap the probe on there lol
 
That all depends on if I should do it when upgrading the DP or wait until upgrading the turbo... the turbo upgrade certainly wont be in the next year. Do you want to make sure and upgrade the manifold when you do the DP and CB exhaust or do people usually wait to upgrade the manifold when they do the turbo?
 
depending what kinda turbo you want. They have larger turbos that can still fit the stock manifold.
 
So the stock manifold isnt as bad as advertised? I would love it if they sold one predrilled and tapped... im not looking forward to drilling and tapping cast iron (assuming thats what its made of). I guess I am torn because if I am going to have to drill and tap the manifold anyways, I might as well pull the top of the stock DP off and weld in a bung. That brings up another question... what to do about the heat shield? put all of them back on and modify to fit, or leave off the ones that dont fit due to the pyro and O2
 
I realize that you've already bought the gauges, sensors and the pod, but have you considered that you can monitor all those functions with Dash Hawk or other type OBD II monitoring? You'll get AFR and boost straight from the same sensors that the engine uses. Your EGT will be calculated from the stock wideband front 02 sensor, but it will be pretty close to right, because that front bung is very close to the turbo. Just a thought . . .

And if you plan to get tuned, AP will also provide both tuning and monitoring, but may not be able to give you calculated EGT. Finally, I don't see you having EGT's exceeding 1500 degrees F. on stock tune anyway, and that's what you would be looking or with an EGT probe on this engine. Just a second thought . . .
 
Ive considered all of that. I plan to purchace an ap for the purpose of programing, with data logging being a perk. I like the look of the pod setup and its functional. I cant take a quick glance and see where im running with some of the most important things. I also plan on getting oil temp and pressure gauges. I prefer the idea of a gauge rather than a digital gauge on a unit i have to get to by selecting. Just simpler. You bring up good points i have certainly considerd. Part of why i have waited a year to do much.
 
^ Understood. I do strongly believe in having a real time always functioning boost gauge. I prefer mechanical and have a VDO mechanical gauge. That's the single most important parameter to keep an eye on. It never hurts to monitor as much as possible, especially if you are going to be adding power mods.

You do need to datalog, IMHO, because stuff can happen in a fraction of a second that would not register on an analog gauge, but would show up on the log. One example was the gradual dropping in high pressure fuel rail pressure on my stock pump. Once it fell below 1400 psi under load, I knew I needed to upgrade the internals. What was shocking was my datalogging was showing that under max engine load at WOT down around 4,200 rpm in 4th gear, the pump pressure was dropping to 1100 psi for less than one second and then bouncing back. Any kind of real time monitoring would not have shown that dangerous downward blip, enough if it went unattended, could damage the engine. I do strongly recommend that you regularly datalog if you are going to mod this engine, and that besides boost, perhaps the most important engine operating parameter to look out for on this engine is the fuel rail pressure. The only way you can capture that, to my knowledge is through the OBD II port.
 
My mind is made up... Im going to wait until I get the Cobb DP to install the gauges... I will do the manifold drill then too.. .unless I buy one of those too. I am also getting a AP for data logging...
 

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