CX-5: Sportiness ... what's your speed?

[bmninada]

Scenario: is a highway and then a rather curved ramp. At what speed you're comfortable taking the ramp before ABS, DSC, blah-blah kicks in? In comparison to other SUV/CUV you might be possessing how does CX-5 compare? I do find roll/pitch of CX-5 very, very controlled. Assume OEM tires.

Please feel free to add to scenarios?

 

[inlinev]

The posted advisory speed limit. The ones in yellow and black. Cause I'm not interested in experiments on highway ramps in an suv.

 

[MikeM.]

Scenario: is a highway and then a rather curved ramp. At what speed you're comfortable taking the ramp before ABS, DSC, blah-blah kicks in? In comparison to other SUV/CUV you might be possessing how does CX-5 compare? I do find roll/pitch of CX-5 very, very controlled. Assume OEM tires.

Please feel free to add to scenarios?

Sorry, but there is no specific speed, every ramp is different. Suffice to say, as long as I'm not breaking traction, I'm not worried.

ABS won't kick in unless you're on the brakes so I'm not sure why that was mentioned. DSC only kicks in when your tires break traction and this is more likely to happen from a less than smooth steering response or a patch of oil, ice or anti-freeze than any particular speed.

 

[Srad600]

I'd have to agree that the answer would vary greatly with conditions. Ramp incline/decline, cambered/off-camber/flat, cleanliness, single radius curve/ compound curve, atmospheric conditions (dry, rain, misty), light levels...blah blah blah.

I can say having driven this car on many twisty roads, from smooth asphalt to "goat" roads, the handling is very composed for a CUV. The CX-5 does get a little "tail happy" when pushed too far, so that's a big clue you're nearing "that line".

 

[bmninada]

Please ignore this thread... I am driving exclusively in SPORTS mode just to gauge the drop in mileage, of course trying to keep the same routes, etc. Anyways, I am loving the sportiness of course and got exited and pushed the CX-5 down a ramp at 60 mph. The ramp basically leaves the highway right side and then curves completely to allow a U turn or forks out to another highway at 90. I did both it CX 5 did it as a CHAMP!!

 

[Unobtanium]

Scenario: is a highway and then a rather curved ramp. At what speed you're comfortable taking the ramp before ABS, DSC, blah-blah kicks in? In comparison to other SUV/CUV you might be possessing how does CX-5 compare? I do find roll/pitch of CX-5 very, very controlled. Assume OEM tires.

Please feel free to add to scenarios?

Without knowing the exact corner, that's an irrelevant question.

 

[Unobtanium]

I'd have to agree that the answer would vary greatly with conditions. Ramp incline/decline, cambered/off-camber/flat, cleanliness, single radius curve/ compound curve, atmospheric conditions (dry, rain, misty), light levels...blah blah blah.

I can say having driven this car on many twisty roads, from smooth asphalt to "goat" roads, the handling is very composed for a CUV. The CX-5 does get a little "tail happy" when pushed too far, so that's a big clue you're nearing "that line".

I found that the front end tend to "push" a bit.

 

[Chris_Top_Her]

Dsc is ghey. Ive had it come on right at the apex of a sharp turn that i was coming out of just fin; actually thats mostly when it kicks in. Ofc when it kicks in the car does this retarded left right jerk and it looks like i dont know what im doing and actually it's kinda dangerous.

 

[Unobtanium]

Dsc is ghey. Ive had it come on right at the apex of a sharp turn that i was coming out of just fin; actually thats mostly when it kicks in. Ofc when it kicks in the car does this retarded left right jerk and it looks like i dont know what im doing and actually it's kinda dangerous.

GM mastered it (PTM). GM is actually the world leader in suspensions (sport/handling), as far as I'm concerned. The Z06 slaughtered nearly every other production car on the LL, and the 'Ring (sub-7 minute, while the $1M Porsche 918 managed 6:57xx, but take into account it had AWD on its side, as well as electric motors (insane power out of low RPM corners)), and Ferrari leases GM's technology. I don't know how else to word the argument.

 

[Chris_Top_Her]

GM mastered it (PTM). GM is actually the world leader in suspensions (sport/handling), as far as I'm concerned. The Z06 slaughtered nearly every other production car on the LL, and the 'Ring (sub-7 minute, while the $1M Porsche 918 managed 6:57xx, but take into account it had AWD on its side, as well as electric motors (insane power out of low RPM corners)), and Ferrari leases GM's technology. I don't know how else to word the argument.

Honestly I'd like to disable it, but from my understanding the fuse controls the abs as well. I don't want to disable that for road use. I'll have to look through the service manual to see how it's interconnected.

 

[Unobtanium]

Honestly I'd like to disable it, but from my understanding the fuse controls the abs as well. I'll have to look through the service manual to see how it's interconnected.

It's an SUV and should be left hooked up. That said, I've never worried about ABS. I've had vehicles with it, I've had vehicles without it. Been in wrecks in both that involved heavy braking (not my fault, people pulling out disregarding stopsigns, one was drunk, etc.) and I honestly am not worried about ABS or not. I was taught to drive on a vehicle without ABS both in low-traction environments, and not, and just don't mind either way, although I have driven the SAME vehicle with and without the ABS fuse connected in low traction environments, and ABS makes about a 2-fold difference in the input required to keep the vehicle in-line with your expectations of it. Without ABS, I turned the steering wheel almost precisely 200% further to effect a panic avoidance/braking maneuver (Z06, wet asphalt).

Again, that said, this is an SUV. This is what I use mine for:

Right tool...right job. Just like I could go and hunt moose with my M4...that's not the best solution.

 

[Chris_Top_Her]

It's an SUV and should be left hooked up. That said, I've never worried about ABS. I've had vehicles with it, I've had vehicles without it. Been in wrecks in both that involved heavy braking (not my fault, people pulling out disregarding stopsigns, one was drunk, etc.) and I honestly am not worried about ABS or not. I was taught to drive on a vehicle without ABS both in low-traction environments, and not, and just don't mind either way, although I have driven the SAME vehicle with and without the ABS fuse connected in low traction environments, and ABS makes about a 2-fold difference in the input required to keep the vehicle in-line with your expectations of it. Without ABS, I turned the steering wheel almost precisely 200% further to effect a panic avoidance/braking maneuver (Z06, wet asphalt).

My encounters with DSC have all been unnecessary and resulted in a computer caused left/right jerk which actually interferes with whatever input I was giving. It also throttles engine speed; a well timed high rpm shift can trigger (albeit only for a second or so) it if it lands on the peak of the next gear. If you ever mash it on a wet road you can experience this (independent of TCS). I don't use mine for off-road, hence why I don't need the additional ground clearance but desire the other traits of the car. As far as ABS I've never owned or driven a car old enough to not have it so I haven't experienced locking the wheels. Although I suspect it may be similar to spinning out (a full 360 which I have experienced and pretty much recovered from; thanks old woman driver).

Again, that said, this is an SUV. This is what I use mine for:

Right tool...right job. Just like I could go and hunt moose with my M4...that's not the best solution.

 

[Unobtanium]

That's because it's Mazda, and because it's an SUV. Neither of which are known for a good PTM system.

 

[bmninada]

That's because it's Mazda, and because it's an SUV. Neither of which are known for a good PTM system.

Put your CX-5 maybe on sale and buy instead http://www.gmfleet.com/previous-model-year/gmc/terrain-small-suv.html, then I guess you can go down the path you pictureed and hunt mosse?

 

[Unobtanium]

Put your CX-5 maybe on sale and buy instead http://www.gmfleet.com/previous-model-year/gmc/terrain-small-suv.html, then I guess you can go down the path you pictureed and hunt mosse?

I went down the trail I pictured (this picture was actually taken while leaving, having once already crossed the stream) just fine in my CX-5.
I have no meeses in NWA to hunt, though, but I did hunt a deer with my M4, quite successfully, I might add, this year.

 

[Chris_Top_Her]

Put your CX-5 maybe on sale and buy instead http://www.gmfleet.com/previous-model-year/gmc/terrain-small-suv.html, then I guess you can go down the path you pictureed and hunt mosse?

That's a rip off. If you try to option the AWD 4 cyl out on that similar to a GT cx-5, you end up with a MSRP of like 34k easily, and that's with the 18" wheels, no available leather and not to mention the ugly styling. If you want heated mirrors you have to get the "chrome" (apparently chroming out everything is a perk) package. If you want leather you have to go to the v6 and your over 35k (base msrp for the v6 is 32k) easily. Car looks 10 years old already lol. 4 cyl- 5000RP M for peak torque of 172, 6700 for peak hp of 182, 20mpg city, base weight of 3800lb. 1500lb towing.. and for what lol.. a more capable looking (truck looking) vehicle which really isn't.. I like that my cx-5 doesn't look like a full size SUV, because i'm not trying to take it where I would a pickup truck/big suv. And compared to the CX-5 which get hit with tariffs and is imported, offers more for less? The car made here with no tariff offers less and costs more? ok lol.

 

[Unobtanium]

That's a rip off. If you try to option the AWD 4 cyl out on that similar to a GT cx-5, you end up with a MSRP of like 34k easily, and that's with the 18" wheels, no available leather and not to mention the ugly styling. If you want heated mirrors you have to get the "chrome" (apparently chroming out everything is a perk) package. If you want leather you have to go to the v6 and your over 35k (base msrp for the v6 is 32k) easily. Car looks 10 years old already lol. 4 cyl- 5000RP M for peak torque of 172, 6700 for peak hp of 182, 20mpg city, base weight of 3800lb. 1500lb towing.. and for what lol.. a more capable looking (truck looking) vehicle which really isn't.. I like that my cx-5 doesn't look like a full size SUV, because i'm not trying to take it where I would a pickup truck/big suv. And compared to the CX-5 which get hit with tariffs and is imported, offers more for less? The car made here with no tariff offers less and costs more? ok lol.

The 6 cylinder is what the Terrain should come with, the 4 cylinder is meh.

 

[Chris_Top_Her]

The 6 cylinder is what the Terrain should come with, the 4 cylinder is meh.

And then you bought a boat with a big engine, unless you plan on towing with it... I'm certain the vast majority of CUV owners did not buy them for additional offroad capability (basically just ground clearance) not afforded by most "regular" cars on the market. But then again, many people don't consider dynamics and practicality when they buy.

 

[Unobtanium]

And then you bought a boat with a big engine, unless you plan on towing with it... I'm certain the vast majority of CUV owners did not buy them for additional offroad capability (basically just ground clearance) not afforded by most "regular" cars on the market. But then again, many people don't consider dynamics and practicality when they buy.

I did. Why else would I buy a vehicle like this? I wanted to go camping, etc. and I knew it snowed where I was moving to. It's boring. It's slow. It's effeminate. It's sloppy handling. But you know what? It's cheap, and it will allow me to go camping, and to get to work when it's 10* outside and sleeting and noone is cleaning up the mountain roads. So, fun and image took a back seat to practical and cheap. It's kindof like a Glock to me. boring, soulless, ugly, but you know what? It works, so I love it for what it is, and understand it for what it's not.

Originally I tried to solve that equation with something I liked, a 5.7L HEMI powered Jeep Grand Cherokee...but that proved completely unreliable, and to be blunt, a bigger drain on fuel than I first imagined.

As to a boat with a big engine, the Terrain tows, has a good AWD system, and has decent acceleration off a redlight. It works for what it is, as well.

 

[inlinev]

That's a rip off. If you try to option the AWD 4 cyl out on that similar to a GT cx-5, you end up with a MSRP of like 34k easily, and that's with the 18" wheels, no available leather and not to mention the ugly styling. If you want heated mirrors you have to get the "chrome" (apparently chroming out everything is a perk) package. If you want leather you have to go to the v6 and your over 35k (base msrp for the v6 is 32k) easily. Car looks 10 years old already lol. 4 cyl- 5000RP M for peak torque of 172, 6700 for peak hp of 182, 20mpg city, base weight of 3800lb. 1500lb towing.. and for what lol.. a more capable looking (truck looking) vehicle which really isn't.. I like that my cx-5 doesn't look like a full size SUV, because i'm not trying to take it where I would a pickup truck/big suv. And compared to the CX-5 which get hit with tariffs and is imported, offers more for less? The car made here with no tariff offers less and costs more? ok lol.

Agreed. The small CUVs out of GM look a decade behind in styling and refinement compared to the industry.