CX-5 Owner ages?

[jadmt]

Surprisingly, the 2.5T has been out for 10 years and I haven't found any turbo failures in online discussions. You would expect to see some.

ditto. I never understand the argument they need more upkeep. other than sparkplugs they have the same service intervals for oil and coolant etc.....

 

[zx10guy]

ditto. I never understand the argument they need more upkeep. other than sparkplugs they have the same service intervals for oil and coolant etc.....

It's because of the higher operating temps of a turbo. Turbos get extremely hot. The oil lubricating the bearings in the turbo is the exact same oil that lubricates the engine. Same with coolant. The newer turbo designs use engine coolant to cool off the turbo under operation.

With the higher temps, there is going to be higher likelihood of oil break down. There used to be these things called turbo timers which were devices added to a turbo engine to keep the engine running so the turbo and oil can cool down. This was done because there was many incidents of oil just sitting on the bearings in the turbo after engine shut down that were cooking off.

Don't know if the 2.5T equipped cars have this, but my 135i has an oil temp gauge. It's provided to give you a visual indication on when it would be appropriate to run the engine harder or if the oil temps get too high. On spirited hard drives, I do let my car sit in the garage for a few minutes idling so the engine oil temps can come down. And some times I leave the hood popped up partially to let all the heat vent out.

 

[jadmt]

It's because of the higher operating temps of a turbo. Turbos get extremely hot. The oil lubricating the bearings in the turbo is the exact same oil that lubricates the engine. Same with coolant. The newer turbo designs use engine coolant to cool off the turbo under operation.

With the higher temps, there is going to be higher likelihood of oil break down. There used to be these things called turbo timers which were devices added to a turbo engine to keep the engine running so the turbo and oil can cool down. This was done because there was many incidents of oil just sitting on the bearings in the turbo after engine shut down that were cooking off.

Don't know if the 2.5T equipped cars have this, but my 135i has an oil temp gauge. It's provided to give you a visual indication on when it would be appropriate to run the engine harder or if the oil temps get too high. On spirited hard drives, I do let my car sit in the garage for a few minutes idling so the engine oil temps can come down. And some times I leave the hood popped up partially to let all the heat vent out.

the owner's manual calls for the same interval for coolant and oil...coolant is 10 years 120,000 for both. again I would love to see some real evidence that they are more expensive to maintain but I have not seen that. As @N7turbo mentioned I have never seen any evidence or factual data showing they have issues. I have done oil analysis and so far there is nothing to indicate that excessive heat is causing a break down in oil at least between my 5000 intervals.

 

[zx10guy]

the owner's manual calls for the same interval for coolant and oil...coolant is 10 years 120,000 for both. again I would love to see some real evidence that they are more expensive to maintain but I have not seen that. As @N7turbo mentioned I have never seen any evidence or factual data showing they have issues. I have done oil analysis and so far there is nothing to indicate that excessive heat is causing a break down in oil at least between my 5000 intervals.

We can disagree on these aspects. I've provided exact reasons why a turbo engine does require a bit more TLC. With the owner's manual, I'm sure there are many of you that are ignoring the manual because your own experience/knowledge says it's a bad idea. There are many manufacturers that say lifetime trans fluid so no need to change. Or 10,000 mile oil change intervals are recommended. Even the debate with whether to use 0w-20 or 5w-30 oil. The manual calls for 0w-20 but how many people here are ignoring that.

 

[BoomerZoomr]

Back when most people used conventional engine oil, some early turbo cars had issues with the oil return line plugging due to coke buildup. Everyone uses synthetic oil now, and I imagine these turbo engines are designed much better. Maybe some turbo stigma still remains.
If my choice was between a V6 or turbo 4, I would likely choose the V6. But between NA 4 or turbo 4, it would definitely be the turbo 4 for the enhanced driving experience. The slight additional maintenance is inconsequential to me.

 

[KarlA]

Back on topic.....67. Have a 2016 since new. Technically our 2nd one the 2015 got totaled by a header at the tender young age of 6 months old. Lack of serious injuries convinced us on the next one. Great car, no issues.

 

[SparkYellow]

If you ask the same question in a Facebook group, the results would be very different. When I was in sales in 2016, the CX-5 was popular among all age groups. No turbos back then, only CX-9 was turbo charged.

 

[jadmt]

If you ask the same question in a Facebook group, the results would be very different. When I was in sales in 2016, the CX-5 was popular among all age groups. No turbos back then, only CX-9 was turbo charged.

are you sure? the fb cx5 seems to be mostly older owners as well.

Mazda CX-5 Club (USA) | Facebook

A community of Mazda CX-5 owners and enthusiasts brought together to discuss platform news, problems, and general info related to the CX-5 platform. -...

www.facebook.com

 

[N7turbo]

It's because of the higher operating temps of a turbo. Turbos get extremely hot. The oil lubricating the bearings in the turbo is the exact same oil that lubricates the engine. Same with coolant. The newer turbo designs use engine coolant to cool off the turbo under operation.

With the higher temps, there is going to be higher likelihood of oil break down. There used to be these things called turbo timers which were devices added to a turbo engine to keep the engine running so the turbo and oil can cool down. This was done because there was many incidents of oil just sitting on the bearings in the turbo after engine shut down that were cooking off.

Don't know if the 2.5T equipped cars have this, but my 135i has an oil temp gauge. It's provided to give you a visual indication on when it would be appropriate to run the engine harder or if the oil temps get too high. On spirited hard drives, I do let my car sit in the garage for a few minutes idling so the engine oil temps can come down. And some times I leave the hood popped up partially to let all the heat vent out.

Things are different today. Oils have advanced a lot, and there is a specific turbo oil coking test they must pass for API/GF certification.

That said, on really hot days, I let my car cool outside for a couple of hours before putting it in the garage. My reasoning is, inside the garage, there is zero air movement. Hot things will stay hot for a long time in there.

 

[MrMcE]

My most frequent trip is only about 5 miles, 4 times a day most days. I didn't think a turbo setup would like such short trips as the norm.

 

[SparkYellow]

are you sure? the fb cx5 seems to be mostly older owners as well.

Mazda CX-5 Club (USA) | Facebook

A community of Mazda CX-5 owners and enthusiasts brought together to discuss platform news, problems, and general info related to the CX-5 platform. -...

www.facebook.com

I wonder where the younger owners are and which platform they use to post and comment.

 

[zx10guy]

Hopefully, they're not going over to the Mazda Forum. There's one individual over there that has a god complex and has to interject himself in every thread trying to show off how intelligent he is and that he has all this experience. The guy is downright rude and condescending. The fact he has been moderated or banned says a lot of how that site is run.

Here, it's more welcoming and disagreements don't turn into genitalia measurement contest.

 

[jadmt]

I wonder where the younger owners are and which platform they use to post and comment.

maybe reddit or maybe many of the younger generations don't really see a car as something other than transportation so don't comment about them.

 

[BoomerZoomr]

Hopefully, they're not going over to the Mazda Forum. There's one individual over there that has a god complex and has to interject himself in every thread trying to show off how intelligent he is and that he has all this experience. The guy is downright rude and condescending. The fact he has been moderated or banned says a lot of how that site is run.

Here, it's more welcoming and disagreements don't turn into genitalia measurement contest.

You’re being polite describing that individual, my description would have been much more harsh.

@jadmt probably like you say… older folks may tend to be more like "car guys" or "gear-heads".

 

[jadmt]

Hopefully, they're not going over to the Mazda Forum. There's one individual over there that has a god complex and has to interject himself in every thread trying to show off how intelligent he is and that he has all this experience. The guy is downright rude and condescending. The fact he has been moderated or banned says a lot of how that site is run.

Here, it's more welcoming and disagreements don't turn into genitalia measurement contest.

I just checked it out and does not look like much activity at least in the cx5 section.

 

[zx10guy]

I just checked it out and does not look like much activity at least in the cx5 section.

Yes. And I'm surprised the site gets any traffic at all with that forum bully asserting his territorial dominance. My last exchange with him has solidified me not wasting my time there any more.

 

[zx10guy]

You’re being polite describing that individual, my description would have been much more harsh.

@jadmt probably like you say… older folks may tend to be more like "car guys" or "gear-heads".

Yes, I was being polite. No need to drag that kind of energy over here. But glad I'm not the only one that has seen this guy in action.

 

[SparkYellow]

Which awful site are you guys talking about, is it a model specific forum?

 

[zx10guy]

Which awful site are you guys talking about, is it a model specific forum?

It's called mazdaforum.com . They have many sub forums that vary on topic and are also model specific. There is a CX-5 sub forum. You can take a look without creating an account there. It'll be very quick who I'm referring to when you read through any of the threads.

 

[MrMcE]

Hopefully, they're not going over to the Mazda Forum. There's one individual over there that has a god complex and has to interject himself in every thread trying to show off how intelligent he is and that he has all this experience. The guy is downright rude and condescending. The fact he has been moderated or banned says a lot of how that site is run.

Here, it's more welcoming and disagreements don't turn into genitalia measurement contest.

Start typing his name into the field to add user to ignore list and you'll see something funny when it suggests possible usernames