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[cbr600rx7]

Hold on a second there is no need for that kind of bashing.
What you are saying could easily work in your application. And if you took the time to fabricate air ducts and heat shield relocated the battery cut some brackets use some type of hood to circulate the air and probably use some type of side fan on the intercooler it would probably be one bad ass set up. But now you have spent three times the time and twice the money to save on a little lag. But the down side is we all know how damn hot are engine bays get when the car is ran no matter how much heat you think you can pull out of the bay its not going to get the cooling that a FMIC would so there is no guaranty that it will work. However less lag and not having to worry about your FM getting beat up from road hazards plus having something different is a cool idea pleas let me know how it works out for you. I don’t think this would be a good mod for a beginner but for some one with you expertise it could turn out in your favor.

 

[mspHtown]

(rofl) @ this thread!!!!

 

[ViDeo^_^kiD]

I'd be fun... it'd take time. It definitely wouldn't be a bolt-on type thing. It'd take quite a bit of fiberglass work, planning, and what not. I believe it would definitely get gains and the engine will perform over-all better. It would be ill-concieved compared to just buying a FMIC from a company b/c of the time factor and possibly price factor.

 

[orng1]

Makes more sense to run a water to air in that case, less work, less cost and by the looks of it less weight.

 

[cbr600rx7]

Air to Water is the way to go. Cooler temps, looks cleaner, and keeps that stock sleeper look got to love it.

 

[1moreMPH]

si, air-to-water would be more effective and cheaper. Your hood would look all kinds of ****** up if you did this wild tmic idea, considering your IC core would be right in front of the driver seat in the engine bay... all lop-sided.

The confusion earlier was because you didn't say anything about ducting air or cutting your hood up or anything -- you just said "oh, just stick a BIGASS intercooler in your engine bay..." And by all means, that wouldn't make sense.

Your car, your idea, your money, your time... if that's the route you wanna go then go for it. But i think for most of us that is not the way to go, for it is going to be a lot of trouble. The subaru guys get it to work great, but their engine is so completely different and designed around that. Even then, front mount would still get more cool air passing through at higher speeds, so it would do a better job. Not sure what you have against it... the lag is literally negligible. but water-air would be shweeeeet. Someone on here as done that -- is it terbow?

 

[crashkelly]

Apparently you are ignorant... or can't gd read. I'm not going to put the intercooler over the engine retards. I'm actually going to mount it beside the engine...w/ a hood scoop and air ducts. Which to me....makes perfect ******* sense. Which would eliminate all the extra piping. Hrmmm....lets see. Heat rises. Good one, your really smart. Welcome to physics class 101. I think with a hood scoop pushing all the air downward...I dont have to worry about that too much aye??! Oh yeh...heat shield???! Look into it.

You retards apparently have no idea what custom is.

I've swapped a whole ******* engine into a car and got it running...dont call me god damn newb. Not to mention made my own rear back bumper out of fiberglass. And the car would stomp an EvO VIII and laugh at it. If you dick heads want to insult me then we can certainly go that route. State what you got to say and shut up. Insulting me isn't going to happen! Not in real life and not here.

And Im talking to you Crash Kelly.

waaah...waaah...wahhhh

 

[crashkelly]

I'd be fun... it'd take time. It definitely wouldn't be a bolt-on type thing. It'd take quite a bit of fiberglass work, planning, and what not. I believe it would definitely get gains and the engine will perform over-all better. It would be ill-concieved compared to just buying a FMIC from a company b/c of the time factor and possibly price factor.

I'd rather buy one from a company who spends so much time on research and development that they already looked at your possible TMIC idea and found tons of reasons why it wouldnt work and who have DYNO TESTED their own well though out products (of course this is excluding the ebay crap). If you go with a reputable company then you know they put time and money into it and id rather spend money then waste time and money trying something that obviously wont work....

I dont care if you put a hood scoop and ducting in the car, you will never get as much out of an intercooler that is a FMIC...Theres two very important things going on the flow of air and SURFACE AREA! In the front of the car you are maximizing the flow of air (i dont car how many scoops and ducts you run you will not get as much air going through the intercooler than if it is at the very front of the car, unobstructed, and mounted vertically....no way are you going to replicate that with scoops and ducts). Also you can make the surface area bigger which is what is really going to allow for the coolest temps. Now obviously the amount of boost matters, if you are goin above 10psi SMIC or TMIC just isnt goin to work as well.

 

[mspHtown]

Which would eliminate all the extra piping.

You could always just ditch the intercooler and run a pipe directly from the turbo to the throttle body since you are so worried about this extreme lag the fmic gives you... (thumb)

 

[1moreMPH]

You could always just ditch the intercooler and run a pipe directly from the turbo to the throttle body since you are so worried about this extreme lag the fmic gives you... (thumb)

in all honesty that's probably better than the stock MSP setup...

 

[ViDeo^_^kiD]

I'd rather buy one from a company who spends so much time on research and development that they already looked at your possible TMIC idea and found tons of reasons why it wouldnt work and who have DYNO TESTED their own well though out products (of course this is excluding the ebay crap). If you go with a reputable company then you know they put time and money into it and id rather spend money then waste time and money trying something that obviously wont work....

I dont care if you put a hood scoop and ducting in the car, you will never get as much out of an intercooler that is a FMIC...Theres two very important things going on the flow of air and SURFACE AREA! In the front of the car you are maximizing the flow of air (i dont car how many scoops and ducts you run you will not get as much air going through the intercooler than if it is at the very front of the car, unobstructed, and mounted vertically....no way are you going to replicate that with scoops and ducts). Also you can make the surface area bigger which is what is really going to allow for the coolest temps. Now obviously the amount of boost matters, if you are goin above 10psi SMIC or TMIC just isnt goin to work as well.

I'll be glad to prove you wrong.

Like I said...companies couldn't even consider making a "bolt-on" kit like I'm talking about. So yes, they canceled it out. If they did the kit would cost nearly $2000 atleast. If I do it myself... buy pipe, intercooler core, flange, BOV, couplers, fiberglass, and whatever else. May hit $1000 if that.

 

[orng1]

My set up cost around $100, of course it's used but it still handles the HP. The core is a spearco somewhere around 350+hp flow, I just bought some angled couplers and a few saw blades to modify the charge pipes. No need to spend excessive amount of money, so it has a little lag compared to what your thinking of but I did save myself $900.

 

[cbr600rx7]

The reason why they have never made this kit is because it’s too impractical. I told you it might be good for you. To me Air to Water is the way to go. But to 90% of the guys out there it’s easy to buy an 800 buck kit and install it and fill good about doing it. This kit could work but it would be way cheaper to just run a FMIC or if you want response just run a water system It will out perform any air to air system you can come up with. Just an idea. But that’s why no one has done what you are saying. HKS, Gready, Turbonetics , Sparco they all spend thousands of dollars in R&D if they could market it they would. If you are hell bent on running this set up. Maybe try talking to some MR2 and STI guys.

 

[1moreMPH]

go do it. but i want a stop watch turned on/off timing the install & a running tally of the following:

1) money spent
2) trips to store
3) curse words yelled
4) days under construction
5) hp gain
6) intake temp reduction
7) mistakes made
...i think that's it. good luck though.

 

[kicknmazdaspd]

those of you that did the custom setup. Where is a good place to get the piping? I have a ic sittin in my garage with no piping :-(

 

[livelyjay]

Since there is a concern about piping length, getting a kit that utilizes the stock SMIC opening would be better. I used to run the iON FMIC that piped around the radiator support and the car dogged it big time during auto-x. Anytime I would shift or punch it out of a corner the ECU would dump in fuel before the air reached the engine. This couldn't even be fixed with an AFC. Forgot to mention I was at stock boost. Higher boost levels might have alleviated this.

I see where ViDeo^_^kiD is coming from and I have a picture in my head of something that could possibly work. Pipe the intake through the stock SMIC opening. Relocate the battery to the trunk. Build a type of enclosure in the engine compartment between the drivers fender and engine and thermal coat it. Get a funky sized core that's squarish in shape and install it in this separate compartment. Pipe from turbo into compartment, from compartment to TB. Then do some sort of venting/ducting to get cold air into the compartment. Minimal piping, protected from engine heat, big pain in the butt to fabricate, but it could work.

 

[Maxx Mazda]

I see no real point in doing a FMIC other than it looks pretty. Way too much piping. More piping and couplers equals more unrealiability, longer pipes equals more turbo lag. Correct me if I'm wrong...but it just seems pointless to me. Mount the thing somewhere in the engine bay w/ air splitters or funnels.

Ya, okay... (lol)

I have a WAY bigger turbo than the stock GT25, and I hit 15psi by 3000' RPM. I can hit 7 (stock MSP boost) by 2200, but according to you, I have "too much piping."

Uh huh... That's it... (hahaspit)

 

[1moreMPH]

Ya, okay... (lol)

I have a WAY bigger turbo than the stock GT25, and I hit 15psi by 3000' RPM. I can hit 7 (stock MSP boost) by 2200, but according to you, I have "too much piping."

Uh huh... That's it... (hahaspit)

no s***? I knew that our stock turbo had literally 0 lag even with an IC, but there you have it -- even a much larger turbo, with double the boost can still spool quickly!

ps: maxx, i had no idea you were putting down that kind of power, jesus that's a killer p5. how many ponies are you herding?

 

[Maxx Mazda]

no s***? I knew that our stock turbo had literally 0 lag even with an IC, but there you have it -- even a much larger turbo, with double the boost can still spool quickly!

ps: maxx, i had no idea you were putting down that kind of power, jesus that's a killer p5. how many ponies are you herding?

219 whp and 221 wtq at only 10psi. Havn't dynoed at 15-17 psi yet, but it's probably around 300. Here's videos: http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123674772