Custom Performance Engineering's complete SPEED6 tuning solution

www.cp-e.com said:
Hah! Sorry about that (lol2)

You actually don't /need/ a laptop, but it makes the process much faster. Hypothetically you could run the car and make changes on your home computer, but having a laptop makes more sense. But if you are going to use your laptop, you'll need a USB cable to make changes to your tune.

Most tuners use serial cables because they're easier to implement, but most laptops don't even come with serial ports anymore. Plus, if you have any experience using those serial-to-USB adapters, they don't work more often than not. So we went through the extra effort of putting a USB interface on our piggyback so people don't have to dick with adapters.

So, the bare essentials are a laptop and USB cable, but a good wideband is worth its weight in gold in my opinion.


Jordan
If you want to do road tuning you can get any of the CAN data bus compatible OBD-2 scanners, I use autoenginuity's which can look at the factory wideband O2 readings, MAP voltage, MAF voltage and more. Eventually I hope to get a permanant solution in my car using the NAV video screen and software guages like the ones from PCM Scan. Dyno is great but the only thing it can't do is simulate a true load on the car like wind does. You have no idea how hard it is on the car to push itself through the wind at 80+ MPH, this affects the tune (at least in my humble opinion).

Jordan is right thought, I can't wait to see what they're coming out with.
 
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www.cp-e.com said:
Hah! Sorry about that (lol2)

You actually don't /need/ a laptop, but it makes the process much faster. Hypothetically you could run the car and make changes on your home computer, but having a laptop makes more sense. But if you are going to use your laptop, you'll need a USB cable to make changes to your tune.

Most tuners use serial cables because they're easier to implement, but most laptops don't even come with serial ports anymore. Plus, if you have any experience using those serial-to-USB adapters, they don't work more often than not. So we went through the extra effort of putting a USB interface on our piggyback so people don't have to dick with adapters.

So, the bare essentials are a laptop and USB cable, but a good wideband is worth its weight in gold in my opinion.


Jordan

awesome, laptop and usb makes things easy as hell. please explain how you'd be able to make changes from your home computer? thanks!
 
RevLimitLaunch said:
awesome, laptop and usb makes things easy as hell. please explain how you'd be able to make changes from your home computer? thanks!

Xede doesn't have USB. I guess that's the benefit to having an EE on board. Not that I'm gonna do it anytime soon, but is tuning s/w part of the package or something you need to get separately? Sorry if this has been asked and answered already.
 
RevLimitLaunch said:
awesome, laptop and usb makes things easy as hell. please explain how you'd be able to make changes from your home computer? thanks!


If you wanted to, you could flash the changes to the piggyback on your home computer, and then plug the unit back into your car. Of course this is tedius, but if you don't have a laptop, it'll at least get the job done. You're able to this with our unit because it's USB, which is what supplies power to the board when it's out of the car.


desperado-c said:
Xede doesn't have USB. I guess that's the benefit to having an EE on board. Not that I'm gonna do it anytime soon, but is tuning s/w part of the package or something you need to get separately? Sorry if this has been asked and answered already.


Our piggyback will come with all the tools you need to make the appropriate changes to your car. This includes all wiring accessories, software, and instructions. The appropriate gauges and sensors are up to the end-user though.



*And just to keep you guys updated, we recently took a local SPEED6 to the dyno to verify that ourpiggyback works, and it performed flawlessly on all accounts. We were able to adjust fuel, timing, and boost pressure in both directions. Our previous fueling strategy caused a fuel cut whenever we tried to add fuel to the engine, but Lou found a solution that works really well. So we're in the process of building beta units for several local testers. Once they tune their cars and give us some feedback we'll start full-scale production!


Jordan
 
Hey Jordan,

I am Jonathon from Van Dyn Hoven Imports. I sent Dr. John Lee over to you for a CX-7 CAI and we installed it for him.

All I need is time and a COLOR CATALOG!!!!!!!!!
 
sixerjdm said:
Hey Jordan,

I am Jonathon from Van Dyn Hoven Imports. I sent Dr. John Lee over to you for a CX-7 CAI and we installed it for him.

All I need is time and a COLOR CATALOG!!!!!!!!!


Please forgive me, but I'm not sure I follow what you're asking for? (doh)


Jordan
 
I was just saying that we had a customer order from you for the CAI on a CX-7 and it would be cool to get a catalog of your parts for our dealership. I pushed him into the sale and I always mention CP-E on just about every Mazda demo I do.
 
sixerjdm said:
I was just saying that we had a customer order from you for the CAI on a CX-7 and it would be cool to get a catalog of your parts for our dealership. I pushed him into the sale and I always mention CP-E on just about every Mazda demo I do.


That's great! If you PM me with your name and address, I'd be happy to send you out a little sales package. Had a chance to check out the SPEED3 CAI yet?


Jordan
 
www.cp-e.com said:
If you wanted to, you could flash the changes to the piggyback on your home computer, and then plug the unit back into your car. Of course this is tedius, but if you don't have a laptop, it'll at least get the job done. You're able to this with our unit because it's USB, which is what supplies power to the board when it's out of the car.





Our piggyback will come with all the tools you need to make the appropriate changes to your car. This includes all wiring accessories, software, and instructions. The appropriate gauges and sensors are up to the end-user though.



*And just to keep you guys updated, we recently took a local SPEED6 to the dyno to verify that ourpiggyback works, and it performed flawlessly on all accounts. We were able to adjust fuel, timing, and boost pressure in both directions. Our previous fueling strategy caused a fuel cut whenever we tried to add fuel to the engine, but Lou found a solution that works really well. So we're in the process of building beta units for several local testers. Once they tune their cars and give us some feedback we'll start full-scale production!


Jordan

CAN'T wait I'll be first on your list to buy if it comes out good
 
very cool stuff. hopefully by the time I am starting to want more out of this car (probably a while, i'm coming from an N/A Protege...) all of the products will be released and beat on by members.
 
Hell Yea Cpe

Just gotta throw my 2-cents in. I actually drove from Huntington, WV to Beltsville to visit the CPE shop myself. I was hesitant to spend $$ on my baby (I call her EL TORO "THE BULL") before meeting the CPE team myself. So I drove 5 hours to Maryland fighting beltway traffic and a bad hangover. Needless to say, the CPE team literally opened the shop for me on a Saturday afternoon, welcomed me to a delightful couch to sleep on while they installed CAI, CATBACK, and DOWNPIPE. And let me tell you something....these boys are true professionals. They wouldn't let me leave until they knew I was completely satisfied and took my car on numerous test runs to feel the difference in power. The team and I figured we added more than 45 wheel horses in a matter of 6 hours (without any dyno testing). Afterwards we ordered a pizza and because they knew i had a long drive ahead of me, they invited me to stay in at their place for the night and leave in the morning. I declined, however on the way home I received a phonecall from the team, wanting to "make for certain that I was pleased with my car, and to make sure I made it home all right".

So, If anyone wants to know who I'm going to purchase my engine management system off of....you could probably guess CPE. As a matter of fact, I very seriously doubt I will purchase any products without the CPE label. The CPE team showed a lot of professionalism and dedication to their products. My suggestion fella's.......GO CPE.
 
MUSOM said:
Just gotta throw my 2-cents in. I actually drove from Huntington, WV to Beltsville to visit the CPE shop myself. I was hesitant to spend $$ on my baby (I call her EL TORO "THE BULL") before meeting the CPE team myself. So I drove 5 hours to Maryland fighting beltway traffic and a bad hangover. Needless to say, the CPE team literally opened the shop for me on a Saturday afternoon, welcomed me to a delightful couch to sleep on while they installed CAI, CATBACK, and DOWNPIPE. And let me tell you something....these boys are true professionals. They wouldn't let me leave until they knew I was completely satisfied and took my car on numerous test runs to feel the difference in power. The team and I figured we added more than 45 wheel horses in a matter of 6 hours (without any dyno testing). Afterwards we ordered a pizza and because they knew i had a long drive ahead of me, they invited me to stay in at their place for the night and leave in the morning. I declined, however on the way home I received a phonecall from the team, wanting to "make for certain that I was pleased with my car, and to make sure I made it home all right".

So, If anyone wants to know who I'm going to purchase my engine management system off of....you could probably guess CPE. As a matter of fact, I very seriously doubt I will purchase any products without the CPE label. The CPE team showed a lot of professionalism and dedication to their products. My suggestion fella's.......GO CPE.

that's one hell of a review (thumb)
 
MUSOM said:
Just gotta throw my 2-cents in. I actually drove from Huntington, WV to Beltsville to visit the CPE shop myself. I was hesitant to spend $$ on my baby (I call her EL TORO "THE BULL") before meeting the CPE team myself. So I drove 5 hours to Maryland fighting beltway traffic and a bad hangover. Needless to say, the CPE team literally opened the shop for me on a Saturday afternoon, welcomed me to a delightful couch to sleep on while they installed CAI, CATBACK, and DOWNPIPE. And let me tell you something....these boys are true professionals. They wouldn't let me leave until they knew I was completely satisfied and took my car on numerous test runs to feel the difference in power. The team and I figured we added more than 45 wheel horses in a matter of 6 hours (without any dyno testing). Afterwards we ordered a pizza and because they knew i had a long drive ahead of me, they invited me to stay in at their place for the night and leave in the morning. I declined, however on the way home I received a phonecall from the team, wanting to "make for certain that I was pleased with my car, and to make sure I made it home all right".

So, If anyone wants to know who I'm going to purchase my engine management system off of....you could probably guess CPE. As a matter of fact, I very seriously doubt I will purchase any products without the CPE label. The CPE team showed a lot of professionalism and dedication to their products. My suggestion fella's.......GO CPE.


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Jordan
 
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MUSOM said:
Just gotta throw my 2-cents in. I actually drove from Huntington, WV to Beltsville to visit the CPE shop myself. I was hesitant to spend $$ on my baby (I call her EL TORO "THE BULL") before meeting the CPE team myself. So I drove 5 hours to Maryland fighting beltway traffic and a bad hangover. Needless to say, the CPE team literally opened the shop for me on a Saturday afternoon, welcomed me to a delightful couch to sleep on while they installed CAI, CATBACK, and DOWNPIPE. And let me tell you something....these boys are true professionals. They wouldn't let me leave until they knew I was completely satisfied and took my car on numerous test runs to feel the difference in power. The team and I figured we added more than 45 wheel horses in a matter of 6 hours (without any dyno testing). Afterwards we ordered a pizza and because they knew i had a long drive ahead of me, they invited me to stay in at their place for the night and leave in the morning. I declined, however on the way home I received a phonecall from the team, wanting to "make for certain that I was pleased with my car, and to make sure I made it home all right".

So, If anyone wants to know who I'm going to purchase my engine management system off of....you could probably guess CPE. As a matter of fact, I very seriously doubt I will purchase any products without the CPE label. The CPE team showed a lot of professionalism and dedication to their products. My suggestion fella's.......GO CPE.
 
That would be great Jordan!!!! I just don't know how to do a PM so I listed my dealer address below and I will E-mail my name over to your sales address on your site ASAP!!!

P.S. I just installed my first CP-E purchase which was a CP-E Excel on my Speed3 and I will show it to every demo I do and the fit and finish is impeccable. I left the details of my impressions in the engine performance section for the speed3 in this forum. It kicks ass!!!!!!!!!!!

I look forward to this sales kit and I will actively notify my customers of new product availability!!!!!!

My dealer address is,

Van Dyn Hoven Imports
3023 Victory Lane
Appleton, WI 54913
 
sixerjdm said:
That would be great Jordan!!!! I just don't know how to do a PM so I listed my dealer address below and I will E-mail my name over to your sales address on your site ASAP!!!

P.S. I just installed my first CP-E purchase which was a CP-E Excel on my Speed3 and I will show it to every demo I do and the fit and finish is impeccable. I left the details of my impressions in the engine performance section for the speed3 in this forum. It kicks ass!!!!!!!!!!!

I look forward to this sales kit and I will actively notify my customers of new product availability!!!!!!

My dealer address is,

Van Dyn Hoven Imports
3023 Victory Lane
Appleton, WI 54913


You got it man, I'll send some info out to you. We appreciate your telling people about our business since we do very little marketing at the moment. So thanks...big time (rockon)

I'm about to check out the post you made in the SPEED3 forums, and I thank you for that in advance. I think people typically post product reviews if they have a problem, so its nice to see someone taking the time to post their positive experiences. We can't thank you enough. I hope you enjoy the intake!


Jordan
 
OK CP-E I came up with some more questions for you:

1. Will you be making maps for DP/Cat-Back/CAI, or will it just be stock only and leave it up to each person to go from there?

2. Will your piggyback/tuner be able to change the timing and if so will your base map(s) adjust the timing?

3. Wll your piggyback/tuner be able to read/clear CEL's?

4. Will you still be able to access the port while your piggyback/tuner is installed? I'm thinking of a connector like the plug at the end of a christmass tree light strand?

5. Does your lightweight battery tray come with a new battery? I might be reading your description wrong on your site but it doesn't actually say wheather it comes with the battery or not. It just says that it was designed to work with that battery. Also there is no battery in the pictures.

6. Last but not even close to least, Best guess approx. when do you think you will be able to have a PnP available for purchase, late spring/late summer?? and how do I get my name on the list to be the first to get one? :D
 
So it looks like we now have quite a few options out, or coming out, for the speed6.. CAI, Catback, Downpipe, piggyback ECU. I was just wondering if you at CPE have an end goal in mind for the speed6. What is the next step? In other words, given that all your available parts are installed on a speed6, what then are the biggest bottlenecks left to "releasing the monster" you see in this car?

Also, you should let us know of (or show us a dyno plot) the difference between a stock speed6 and one with ALL you stuff installed.

Last, is the FMIC ever going to materialize? And do you have a "recommended" turbo upgrade given your knowledge of the engine's limits/potential?
 
Great questions...


jdub260 said:
OK CP-E I came up with some more questions for you:

1. Will you be making maps for DP/Cat-Back/CAI, or will it just be stock only and leave it up to each person to go from there?

Yup, we'll have maps for at least the CAI, turboback, and intercooler since those seem to make the most pronounced changes to the car. We'll be including a CD with the piggyback containing all the maps, so you can use, edit, or trade them as you please.

2. Will your piggyback/tuner be able to change the timing and if so will your base map(s) adjust the timing?

It sure will. The problem is that in stock form, the timing is pretty well optimized. We were able to add about a degree of timing on a stock MS6 without any knock, but another degree over that caused knock. Since we like our tunes relatively conservative, and since people will be running a mix of 91/93 octane, we're going to leave the timing map alone. If people are running more efficient turbos or better intercoolers, then their setup may tolerate a few more degrees for some added power.

3. Wll your piggyback/tuner be able to read/clear CEL's?

No, unfortunately it won't. Because our tuner is a piggyback, it is only able to alter sensor signals sent to the ECU. Any codes stored need to be cleared with a scan tool of your choice.

4. Will you still be able to access the port while your piggyback/tuner is installed? I'm thinking of a connector like the plug at the end of a christmass tree light strand?

The OBD-II port will always be open since the piggyback gets wired between the sensors and the ECU. So you'll be tapping wires coming out of the ECU.

5. Does your lightweight battery tray come with a new battery? I might be reading your description wrong on your site but it doesn't actually say wheather it comes with the battery or not. It just says that it was designed to work with that battery. Also there is no battery in the pictures.

Unfortunately your hunch is correct. The battery tray comes without an Odyssey battery :(

6. Last but not even close to least, Best guess approx. when do you think you will be able to have a PnP available for purchase, late spring/late summer?? and how do I get my name on the list to be the first to get one? :D

I'd literally be making a wild guess. We're not waiting for any process to finish, we just have several contacts in the industry working with us in trying to find the correct connectors since Mazda is very tight lipped about it. So we may get PnP connectors tomorrow, or we may get them in June. It's unfortunately up in the air at the moment. If you do want to be sure that you get one of the first ones, you can give Josh Adams a call here at 301-576-6142 to be put on the pre-order list. He will require a credit card number in order to put you on the list, but it won't be charged until the unit ships.



EE-Geek said:
So it looks like we now have quite a few options out, or coming out, for the speed6.. CAI, Catback, Downpipe, piggyback ECU. I was just wondering if you at CPE have an end goal in mind for the speed6. What is the next step? In other words, given that all your available parts are installed on a speed6, what then are the biggest bottlenecks left to "releasing the monster" you see in this car?

Also, you should let us know of (or show us a dyno plot) the difference between a stock speed6 and one with ALL you stuff installed.

Last, is the FMIC ever going to materialize? And do you have a "recommended" turbo upgrade given your knowledge of the engine's limits/potential?


I'm pretty sure the next two products we'll release for the SPEED6 will be our 550hp (maximum rating) turbo upgrade, and a tubular exhaust manifold. The turbo upgrade is already progressing, and we're going to tackle the header once we get the piggyback and intercooler out the door.

And we absolutely plan on releasing a dyno graph demonstrating the effectiveness of our optimized tune. Our last dyno was strictly for validation purposes, but we have a dyno scheduled for the week of the 19th, which is when we'll tune a stock SPEED6 for the optimized base map. We'll publish those grahps as soon as we're done tuning, so you'll know exactly what to expect from this product.

Finally, the intercooler was put on the sidelines temporarily while we were finishing up the SPEED3 exhaust system we're coming out with. I know the core was fixtured yesterday, so we're making progress again. I hate to sound like a broken record, but it should be any day now.


Jordan
 

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