CP-E MS6 dual exhaust may be coming
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Mike amd I have the turbo back system from CPE and its single exhaust and you heard how mean its sounds. Get their exhaust its worth the money.(first)Koenig said:
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Did I miss it somewhere, or they ever give the new price??
It isn't posted on here, but last week when I asked elsewhere Jordan said it would be in the $800 range. They weren't quite done making their calculations. If I don't see anything by the end of this week I will ask again.
Jordan just posted elsewhere, they are still looking at making this but only if they can get enough interest (along the lines of 10-15 people). They are also looking into using a different type of stainless that will offer good corrosion resistance but contains less nickel so it will be cheaper. Right now they are working on sourcing and pricing of materials which is why we haven't heard anything for a bit.
I actually didn't think the $1100 pricetag was that bad. I paid $1399 for a cat-back system for my '06 Dodge Charger SRT8. (zoomersexhaust.com) $1100 actually sounds decent for a high quality stainless system. Yeah, you could go get a $400 exhaust shop system, but the quality just isn't the same. Go to the website and see zoomers' systems and what they cost for different cat-back systems.
I have the CP-E 3inch-turbo back exhaust (single) and its just too loud for me because I have to drive her to work everyday. The things sounds mean as hell but the drone on the interstate gets old real fast. Have been saving money to purchase the dual option from CP-E.
CP-E engineers & produces well made parts for our cars. I for one appreciate all they are doing for us. Keep it up guys(drive)
PS: when its PnP, its mine. The FMIC is next on my list after I can get her tuned.
CP-E engineers & produces well made parts for our cars. I for one appreciate all they are doing for us. Keep it up guys(drive)
PS: when its PnP, its mine. The FMIC is next on my list after I can get her tuned.
Jordan,
I would be seriously interested in a dual exhaust version of your catback, in 409 SS. I would love the 304 SS but I pretty much broke the bank buying the car. Still waiting for my new job to start.
And not to go off topic, but I figured that you check this post more than the others, but did you have any success fitting the Speed3 muffler to the Speed6 cat back? If so, any sound files?
And I have to give you alot of credit. You are very professional on these forums. I almost lost control over alot of the bickering just reading this post and it has to be 1000 times harder for you.
I would be seriously interested in a dual exhaust version of your catback, in 409 SS. I would love the 304 SS but I pretty much broke the bank buying the car. Still waiting for my new job to start.
And not to go off topic, but I figured that you check this post more than the others, but did you have any success fitting the Speed3 muffler to the Speed6 cat back? If so, any sound files?
And I have to give you alot of credit. You are very professional on these forums. I almost lost control over alot of the bickering just reading this post and it has to be 1000 times harder for you.
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Igve2shtz said:
We're still working on getting some numbers for the 409 stainless exhaust system. Chiefmg was kind enough to post my update on this messageboard as well, and basically we're waiting for samples and to get quotes back from several manufacturers. Most of the manufacturers we've been calling won't deal with our low order volume, so we're having to do a little extra work finding willing companies that also carry a reasonable price tag. I'm sorry for the delay, but to get you guys the best deal, we have to shop around a little. But like I said, expect on the order of a $300 price break, give or take a couple hundred bucks.
Regarding the SPEED3 muffler, we're actually going to try to fit that muffler in both the single and dual exhaust. So we'll probably fit the SPEED3 muffler into our existing catback when we start work on the dual exhaust. The best we can do for now is to sell the SPEED3 muffler to folks who don't mind having it welded in, and every who's taken this route has been happy with the results. So if you want a finished product that you can just slip on, it's going to take a few weeks unfortunately. And for whatever its worth, listen to the SPEED3 sound clips on our website. The SPEED6 exhaust with the SPEED3 muffler will sound almost indentical to those sound clips. If you like the sound of the SPEED3, then you'll probably enjoy the same setup on the SPEED6.
Igve2shtz said:
Hah, you have no idea (cryhard)
Jordan
Just to state an opinion between 304 and 409 SS.
CPE is correct that 304 is more expensive - this alloy of SS has approximately 8.0-10.0 wt% Nickel and 17.0 to 19.0 wt% Chromium
where 409 SS has no nickel and 11.5 to 13.0 wt% chrome.
Alloying elements such as Nickel and Chrome are EXPENSIVE!
However I dont see any major problems using 409 SS. In my book from ASM International it states that 409 SS is primarily used for automitive exhaust systems. So CPE Is using this grade of SS for its intended purposes.
For corrosion resistance you need to have about 10.5 wt% or higher chromium content. The 409 SS has that so it will act like a stainless steel should. It will not perform like 304, but it may be worth using.
The 304 is a superior alloy with a superior price tag. The higher chrome will allow for better corrosion resistance and the added Nickel allows for better corrosion resistance in the welded areas of the exhuast.
Here is a page http://www.borla.com/about/ that also has some good data comparing the two steels.
CPE is correct that 304 is more expensive - this alloy of SS has approximately 8.0-10.0 wt% Nickel and 17.0 to 19.0 wt% Chromium
where 409 SS has no nickel and 11.5 to 13.0 wt% chrome.
Alloying elements such as Nickel and Chrome are EXPENSIVE!
However I dont see any major problems using 409 SS. In my book from ASM International it states that 409 SS is primarily used for automitive exhaust systems. So CPE Is using this grade of SS for its intended purposes.
For corrosion resistance you need to have about 10.5 wt% or higher chromium content. The 409 SS has that so it will act like a stainless steel should. It will not perform like 304, but it may be worth using.
The 304 is a superior alloy with a superior price tag. The higher chrome will allow for better corrosion resistance and the added Nickel allows for better corrosion resistance in the welded areas of the exhuast.
Here is a page http://www.borla.com/about/ that also has some good data comparing the two steels.
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All i am trying to say is that will 409 work... yes it should act just like a stainless steel should.
However, if you laid a piece of 409 next to a piece of 304 after 5 years of road salt I think you would see a differnce. This doesnt mean the 409 is going to rust through, but it might have some surface corrosion. Just my opinion.
All i am trying to say is that will 409 work... yes it should act just like a stainless steel should.
However, if you laid a piece of 409 next to a piece of 304 after 5 years of road salt I think you would see a differnce. This doesnt mean the 409 is going to rust through, but it might have some surface corrosion. Just my opinion.
I talked to a Magnaflow representative a few weeks ago about their cat-back system. While I was not impressed by their setup, but they did say that 409 would suffer from surface corrosion. It is easily cleaned, and would not rott away the exhaust system unless exposed to extreme conditions and neglected. IMO, as long as everytime you wash your car you spray the undercarriage with a strong stream of water to wash away the road salt, dirt, and other contaminants, 409 will last for a long time. Atleast long enough till the hippies get their way and we are all driving around on vegetable oil.
irollt5r said:
HAHA, ok thanks.......yeah I know that 304 has better elemental resistance qualities than the 409, but as long as you take care of it, and as you said wash the undercarriage of the car along the exhaust piping to clean off the road grime and junk, the 409 should last as long as you have the car for....
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Okay, we finalized the pricing and details of the catback. Here's the scoop...
We're well aware of the fact that other companies are releasing dual exhausts for the SPEED6, most of which are manufactured in China, so there's very little that we can do to compete with their prices. Labor is cheap overseas, the materials are far cheaper, and the work is done out of house which frees up employees to work on other projects. But since all of our products are 100% made in the USA, we are at a disadvantage in a sense, you guys need to consider if the added quality is worth paying for. If not, then we'll simply concentrate our efforts on other upcoming products. So we won't be blown if you guys decide on the less expensive options out there because we have other exciting projects that we can work on, trust me
. But we'd love to make this dual exhaust if the interest is there too!
Anyway, we decided on using 201 stainless because of it's high corrosion resistance and lower cost relative to 304 stainless. Even better, we're going to be using material that is high polished, as opposed to the bright annealed finish our other exhaust components feature. We also decided to use the more expensive and quieter oval mufflers that we use on our SPEED3 shown below. The mufflers are 304 stainless, hand TIG'd, and sound incredible:
SPEED3 catback:
You can download sound clips of our SPEED3 exhaust from our website to get an idea of what these mufflers sound like on the Turbo MZR:
Startup
Drive away
Drive by
The MSRP is set at $850, and for this group buy we can swing a price tag of $800 (down from $1100!!). If this sounds reasonable then we'll go ahead and start production. I'm anxious to hear some feedback, so please let me know what you guys think!
Jordan
We're well aware of the fact that other companies are releasing dual exhausts for the SPEED6, most of which are manufactured in China, so there's very little that we can do to compete with their prices. Labor is cheap overseas, the materials are far cheaper, and the work is done out of house which frees up employees to work on other projects. But since all of our products are 100% made in the USA, we are at a disadvantage in a sense, you guys need to consider if the added quality is worth paying for. If not, then we'll simply concentrate our efforts on other upcoming products. So we won't be blown if you guys decide on the less expensive options out there because we have other exciting projects that we can work on, trust me
. But we'd love to make this dual exhaust if the interest is there too!Anyway, we decided on using 201 stainless because of it's high corrosion resistance and lower cost relative to 304 stainless. Even better, we're going to be using material that is high polished, as opposed to the bright annealed finish our other exhaust components feature. We also decided to use the more expensive and quieter oval mufflers that we use on our SPEED3 shown below. The mufflers are 304 stainless, hand TIG'd, and sound incredible:
SPEED3 catback:
You can download sound clips of our SPEED3 exhaust from our website to get an idea of what these mufflers sound like on the Turbo MZR:
Startup
Drive away
Drive by
The MSRP is set at $850, and for this group buy we can swing a price tag of $800 (down from $1100!!). If this sounds reasonable then we'll go ahead and start production. I'm anxious to hear some feedback, so please let me know what you guys think!
Jordan
