Cost vs. Power: N/A Built Motor

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Hmm, I don't know about that. Really it all boils down to one phrase "How fast do you want to go?" If I wanted an outlandishly fast protege..I would of went boost over a year ago.
 
Just do what feels right to you. I am a fan of both N/A and FI as I have vehicles which use both. If it wasn't for my Mustang and Lightning, I would spend the money to go FI on the P5 just because small engines need all the help they can get. Though a nice 4cyl with a wide powerband can be a dream on a twisty road, N/A or FI.

OH yea... HUG:D
 
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pluto316 said:
If you want to do bolt-ons in a FS and be happy with it, that's fine. But when you want to talk about cost vs. power on an FS.. (ugh)



that was the whole god damn point of my thread, i dont want to discuss how good/bad the FS-DE is, point being i have one, im modifying it, for my purposes what direction do i want to go...not lets go buy a honda and be like every other douchebag ricer in the US. way to ******* ***** a thread people.
 
SpicyMchaggis said:
Hmm, I don't know about that. Really it all boils down to one phrase "How fast do you want to go?" If I wanted an outlandishly fast protege..I would of went boost over a year ago.



if i had wanted an outlandishly fast car, i wouldnt have bought a protege, i would have kept my Z28 and supercharged the L98.
 
PseudoSpeed said:
I just love the general aspect of N/A building. it seems more pure than f/i, less like cheating, you know.. in a game i can become invincable by initiating a cheat program, or i could play the game, and learn from my mistakes. i risk dying of course, but the knowledge i gain on the way is far more plyable than that of a hacked program...

(stooges) Cheating Who Exactly... (killit)
 
SpicyMchaggis said:
Pluto don't make me drive over to your house and smack you.

Josh, don't get all pissy with me. I'm not the only one who's tired of your banter about N/A on your motor. Notice your the only one here with that motor in this section? It's not a bad thing, do your thing, I'll do mine. But for christ's sake don't stick your nose into a conversation and offer advice and suggestions thats ONLY relevant to your motor. You just bring nothing to the table unless its somehow related to YOUR car or about how great a ******* miata sounds with silly ITB's.


Moreover, N/A is great. If it wasn't, Installshield, Scorch, Flat_Black and the rest of my N/A posse wouldn't be devoted to it. However, it's a completely different thing when people expect huge gains for relatively cheap. It's not going to happen. Ever. So lets all give each other a hug and move on. Cripes.

What the hell's your problem Kyle? Just because my Protege has a different engine than your Protege, does that mean that my opinion is worth any less? I never see you contributing any usefull information in any way that anyone with half a brain doesn't already know. I know 10 times what you know about NA tuning. You need to drop the ego and remember that this is a public forum for people with different levels of knowledge and experience. Any way that someone can share information and knowledge is a positive thing. Do I think highly of the BP? Why shouldn't I?

I'll get pissy with you if I damn well want to too. I don't know you from corn in a turd and you get no props from me just because you seem to be Mr. Popular. If you disagree with something I say based on technical inaccuracies, then fine, back it up with something intelligent to say. If you just feeling like dissing me because I get on your nerves, then don't sit there and think I'm going to leave it alone either. It's a two way game here, you throw the pitch and I'll swing at it......
 
SpicyMchaggis said:
Don't listen to josh. Ever. Go spray or go boost. Don't do N/A. It's a lot of money and is not worth it at all.

Why is it you get to recommend something and I don't? btw, Eddie's doing IRTBs, are you going to tell people not to listen to him, or act like it's not a kick-ass set-up?
 
pluto316 said:
I thinking highly of the BP too. We were talking about the FS (which is crap).

True, the FS isn't the best engine to come out of Mazda's stable. Everyone on this board knows this, and everyone works around it. My point in mentioning the BP is that I own one(re:3), speak highly of it and talk about it frequently, which pisses off Kyle.

It all doesn't matter though, since I'll be throwing in an MZR 5 years from now....
 
pluto316 said:
Actually I owned a P5 before my MSP. I've had the FS for a while, thanks.



Yes, the crank as shown to put up with a lot of abuse, but the rods can't. Throw a rod and let's see how long the block lasts. Once again, throw in the long stroke and you have yourself a nice bomb under your hood at redline. Bore > Stroke. I don't see anyone saying "MAN I WISH MY CAR HAD LESS BORE AND MORE STROKE." on an extremely oversquare engine like ours.



As long as you are realistc and not expect more than low 200whp N/A. If you are cool with that a N/A FS is right up your alley. On the other hand F/I the motor has the potential to be a low 300whp.. Ah damn it.. I wish I could swap in a b18.



So could a well chosen turbo setup. Only I could have decent HP numbers with that too.



So shorter stroke IS better?

If you want to do bolt-ons in a FS and be happy with it, that's fine. But when you want to talk about cost vs. power on an FS.. (ugh)


Good points sir...and I said shorter rods are stronger...rod length, not stroke length...we have long stroke, and very short rods...equals very low rod ratio (the ratio of rod length to stroke length), which equals extremely high piston acceleration, which equals extremely low dwell times...overall making the need for strong wrist pins a must...and the ability to run very high compression...

read some of my past posts though...I never claimed an NA FS will be more powerfull that a turbo'd FS...and i never said it would be cheaper for the same hp...I only said that an NA FS would be different...you canm get decent power out of it, for a lot less than some think...
 
Brian MP5T said:
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So, I don't get it, My answer and yours are the same...

No dude...You were saying a 3k in turbo stuff would get you way more hp...I was saying it wouldn't get you way more hp, if you know what you are doing with NA...a 3k turbo setup will get you way more midrange torque though...thats inevitable, thats what my post was referring to...
 
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