Cosmo in Canada

[thousandfaces]

Just wanted to say hello to everyone.

I just purchased a 1991 Cosmo VIN# JCESE-103044. Car needs a bit of work and is nowhere near as beautiful (yet) as some of your cars on here. I got it for a steal though, I could not pass it up. It is Grey with Tan leather. I plan on restoring the interior, rebuilding the engine, give her a new paint job and get her looking new.

As far as upgrades go, I am not sure. Horsepower is addicting so I am sure she will get the power upped.

I will have pics soon, but be nice she needed a good home. Too many Cosmos destroyed for there 20b already.

Later all!

 

[bazooka joe]

welcome and make sure you post up a ton of before during and after pics!!

 

[Antoine]

(ohsnap!) Another Eunos Cosmo enthusiast joins the Community...Welcome!

Sounds like you've got a great project Cosmo to work with...I'm looking forward to seeing pics and following your progress bringing the ol' EC "up to spec".

Enjoy the forums and thanks for preventing a EC from being used & abused for its 20B!

 

[DMRH]

Just wanted to say hello to everyone.

I just purchased a 1991 Cosmo VIN# JCESE-103044.

G'day from down under.

Your Cosmo birthday is..................

JCESE-103044 = 18-OCT-91

REgards

 

[thousandfaces]

Thanks for the welcome everybody!

I will put up more pics once I have the car cleaned (this weekend) the leather interior was BAD. My detail guy does wonders and the part he has done already looks amazing compared to before.

My plans are to have the engine rebuilt this winter. We have a local rotary tuning shop here that has been featured in magazines for 20b swaps. I want the engine perfect before we start to up the boost.

I am not sure if I am going to rebuild the twins or go big single. I can't really get satisfactory info on how the rebuilt (BNR) twins would perform.

I have attached a few pics from before I bought it.

The guy who I bought the car from has another 20b Cosmo . It has a blown turbo, but I am still thinking I will buy it as well (Very cheap). I just have to keep my wife from finding out, lol.

Later.

 

[Herblenny]

I would NOT go single as it will take quite abit of work money and benefit might be minimum... I would stick with twins, especially BNR twins. My plan is when my current engine goes, I'll be getting BNR's Stage 3 twins on and get rid of some of the restrictions. Everything will stay stock, but I'll get better response and power from BNR's.. If you go past 400+RWHP, the stock tranny might be your down side...

 

[thousandfaces]

I was leaning towards upgraded twins also, but have been unable to get any real info as to the expected performance. I have a couple other WILD ideas also to try (laugh)

IMHO 400 rwHP is kind of a low target for this car and I have already considered transmissions for replacement duty (keeping it AT also).

 

[Antoine]

I will put up more pics once I have the car cleaned (this weekend) the leather interior was BAD. My detail guy does wonders and the part he has done already looks amazing compared to before.

My plans are to have the engine rebuilt this winter. We have a local rotary tuning shop here that has been featured in magazines for 20b swaps. I want the engine perfect before we start to up the boost.

I am not sure if I am going to rebuild the twins or go big single. I can't really get satisfactory info on how the rebuilt (BNR) twins would perform.

I have attached a few pics from before I bought it.

The guy who I bought the car from has another 20b Cosmo . It has a blown turbo, but I am still thinking I will buy it as well (Very cheap). I just have to keep my wife from finding out, lol.

Later.

I dig those stock rims...Overall...Looks like it was left mostly stock...Lookin' good though...

Thanks for the detailed update...I'm also interested in those BNRs but wonder if there is a similar solution more local to me in Japan...We'll see...

Be sure to post (pics) once it's all cleaned up...(thumb)

I would NOT go single as it will take quite abit of work money and benefit might be minimum... I would stick with twins, especially BNR twins. My plan is when my current engine goes, I'll be getting BNR's Stage 3 twins on and get rid of some of the restrictions. Everything will stay stock, but I'll get better response and power from BNR's.. If you go past 400+RWHP, the stock tranny might be your down side...

I've got a very similar plan...I want to keep the overall stock setup but upgrade/enhance where it would be most beneficial...Such as the turbos (a la BNR?), custom FMIC, down pipe, custom exhaust, EMS system etc etc etc

Hopefully achieve around 400 rwhp and see how long that keeps a smile on my face...

I was leaning towards upgraded twins also, but have been unable to get any real info as to the expected performance. I have a couple other WILD ideas also to try (laugh)

IMHO 400 rwHP is kind of a low target for this car and I have already considered transmissions for replacement duty (keeping it AT also).

WILD ideas eh? I'm interested to hear those! (laugh)

I think 400 rwhp would be a nice power level for the street and the strip/track...A nice balance...If you're more into extremes than by all means...400 rwhp is just the begining...MuuHAHAHAHAHA! (laugh)

Variety is a good thing though...The sky is the limit (and your budget)...Lookin' forward to your updates! (thumb)

 

[ms6acton]

very nice car. im really starting to like these cosmos

 

[bcduttons]

Hello out there I have a 1990 eunos cosmo e jc3se 101361 with a 13bre in it ,I need a radiator for it . the rad in it is a calsonic n390. any info on where to locate a rad would be very much appreciated .thanks Dave Dutton

 

[DMRH]

Hello out there I have a 1990 eunos cosmo e jc3se 101361 with a 13bre in it ,I need a radiator for it . the rad in it is a calsonic n390. any info on where to locate a rad would be very much appreciated .thanks Dave Dutton

Thanks for posting your VIN. Here is your 13B-REW Cosmo birthday

JC3SE-101361 = 15-SEP-90

I'll give you a run down in Aussie Peso's

Good condition used OEM .= AU$0350
Mazda OEM to Australia.... = AU$0800
Custum aluminium version = AU$0800 (small time manufacturer)
Custum aluminium version = AU$1200 (big time manufacturer)

So there is always a bit of choice here for us down under. If you are not down under, then postage for such items will have to be included. Also, it may be a good idea to start your own thread on the subject so this one isn't "Hi-jacked"

REgards

 

[Herblenny]

I was leaning towards upgraded twins also, but have been unable to get any real info as to the expected performance. I have a couple other WILD ideas also to try (laugh)

IMHO 400 rwHP is kind of a low target for this car and I have already considered transmissions for replacement duty (keeping it AT also).

400RWHP is low?? For Cosmo to make that kind of power it would be pushing close to 500 at the flywheel.

I hate to break some bubbles.. But HP is pointless if you...

1. don't know how to drive
2. can't stop the car
3. can't lay that power down

In my opinion, Cosmo is a cool car and unique rotary. Besides that, there are far better modern cars out there. The amount of money I've spent, I could of gotten a better car at stock form... But I didn't buy this car to make 400 RWHP or plan to track it.. If you want to track it and want a rotary, then get an FD3S. Its cheaper to mod and its LIGHT. But if you want to make 400+HP, then go right ahead! I would like to see it

 

[thousandfaces]

400RWHP is low?? For Cosmo to make that kind of power it would be pushing close to 500 at the flywheel.

I hate to break some bubbles.. But HP is pointless if you...

1. don't know how to drive
2. can't stop the car
3. can't lay that power down

In my opinion, Cosmo is a cool car and unique rotary. Besides that, there are far better modern cars out there. The amount of money I've spent, I could of gotten a better car at stock form... But I didn't buy this car to make 400 RWHP or plan to track it.. If you want to track it and want a rotary, then get an FD3S. Its cheaper to mod and its LIGHT. But if you want to make 400+HP, then go right ahead! I would like to see it

I paid next to nothing for my Cosmo, so for the money there are no "better" cars." Basically I bought a 20b that just happened to be in a complete car (lol2)

An FD or RX8 is in the future picture as a track car. the Cosmo is to be a wild cruising machine that COULD do some damage at the drag strip. The JC chassis is not terrible by any stretch, it is is no FD or FE I admit. Even if I tire of the Cosmo having a built 20b to drop into something else isn't exactly a problem.

Dream big or don't dream at all.

 

[Herblenny]

Not trying to kill your "BIG" dream.. But Cosmo to be competitive at a drag strip means, not so great cruising machine.

Not sure what you paid for.. I'm sure pretty cheap as I've seen few 20B cosmos going for 5 to 10K.. But I think you'll spend triple or more just to be par with some old school rotaries that weighs 1/2 of the cosmo and make half the power.

To be honest with you, as I say this to other guys who tells me, "I'm going to build the ultimate car".. When you get into it, its very tough to do when either money is an issue or time is an issue... Just wanted to point that out to save you time and headache.. And not to kill your "BIG" Dream...

HERE IS a quick break down as this is similar to my FD 20B project..

1. Rebuilt - $8000-12K.. Why you need it?? Because its restrictive from factory and 15 or so year old seals... Or plan to either get new turbos when the seals go.

2. Turbos and such - $5000-10,000.. 600-1000HP will make you competitive with 400-700HP RX7s. This means you need some nice turbos.. Preferably ball bearing turbo that will spool quick

3. Clutch - $2500- 3500 My Exedy twin plate costed me about 2500

4. Transmission.. - $500 - $5000 - Don't know what will fit but I'm guessing cheap FD or FC tranny will cost at least 500... If not, some custom built or dog tranny..

5. ECU - $2000 - $10000+ - Again, cheap side will be around 2k.. I'm sure Motec or something will be beyond 10K with all the accessories.

6. Wheels, tires, suspension, and wide body - $2500 - 10,000... I already test fitted some wheels on my Cosmo.. So far my 10.5 wide SSR comps barely fitted.... And to put the power down, I'm guess you need tires and maybe custom wide body.. And you might need a solid rear axle..

7. Brakes - $1000-5000 - You would have to get the car to stop from 130MPH trap.. LOL! Most will have to be done custom.. I've been looking into this..

8. Safety - $2000-10000 - I would want to race any cars without safety.. My life is more important... A custom rollbar, seats, harness, etc.. could all add up..

9. Misc.. - $2500 - 10000 - You'll realize you will need few things you didn't think of.. Custom exhaust or gauges, tuning, boot controller, etc... It adds up..

And finally all the labor.. Which if you do it all, I guess it will be bit cheaper... But most FD 20B owners say, you'll spend close to 30K USD for a conversion..

**FYI... I know I paid far FAR more than what these things go for in Canada... But I know I paid for it being USA street legal... I bought it for the uniqueness.. Otherwise, I would never buy this for any kind of performance... Because what I've paid, I would of gotten something far FAR better out of the box.. **

 

[thousandfaces]

Not trying to kill your "BIG" dream.. But Cosmo to be competitive at a drag strip means, not so great cruising machine.

Not sure what you paid for.. I'm sure pretty cheap as I've seen few 20B cosmos going for 5 to 10K.. But I think you'll spend triple or more just to be par with some old school rotaries that weighs 1/2 of the cosmo and make half the power.

To be honest with you, as I say this to other guys who tells me, "I'm going to build the ultimate car".. When you get into it, its very tough to do when either money is an issue or time is an issue... Just wanted to point that out to save you time and headache.. And not to kill your "BIG" Dream...

HERE IS a quick break down as this is similar to my FD 20B project..

1. Rebuilt - $8000-12K.. Why you need it?? Because its restrictive from factory and 15 or so year old seals... Or plan to either get new turbos when the seals go.

2. Turbos and such - $5000-10,000.. 600-1000HP will make you competitive with 400-700HP RX7s. This means you need some nice turbos.. Preferably ball bearing turbo that will spool quick

3. Clutch - $2500- 3500 My Exedy twin plate costed me about 2500

4. Transmission.. - $500 - $5000 - Don't know what will fit but I'm guessing cheap FD or FC tranny will cost at least 500... If not, some custom built or dog tranny..

5. ECU - $2000 - $10000+ - Again, cheap side will be around 2k.. I'm sure Motec or something will be beyond 10K with all the accessories.

6. Wheels, tires, suspension, and wide body - $2500 - 10,000... I already test fitted some wheels on my Cosmo.. So far my 10.5 wide SSR comps barely fitted.... And to put the power down, I'm guess you need tires and maybe custom wide body.. And you might need a solid rear axle..

7. Brakes - $1000-5000 - You would have to get the car to stop from 130MPH trap.. LOL! Most will have to be done custom.. I've been looking into this..

8. Safety - $2000-10000 - I would want to race any cars without safety.. My life is more important... A custom rollbar, seats, harness, etc.. could all add up..

9. Misc.. - $2500 - 10000 - You'll realize you will need few things you didn't think of.. Custom exhaust or gauges, tuning, boot controller, etc... It adds up..

And finally all the labor.. Which if you do it all, I guess it will be bit cheaper... But most FD 20B owners say, you'll spend close to 30K USD for a conversion..

**FYI... I know I paid far FAR more than what these things go for in Canada... But I know I paid for it being USA street legal... I bought it for the uniqueness.. Otherwise, I would never buy this for any kind of performance... Because what I've paid, I would of gotten something far FAR better out of the box.. **

I appreciate the info. So is a 20B FD swap worth it at 30k USD? I think a built Cosmo would be cheaper since just about everything in a FD would need to be beefed up as well on top of the actual swap. I don't think that the Cosmo has a 300hp deficit compared to a FD with 600 lbs additional curb weight before the swap, unless I am missing something.

I calculate for $25K CAD including the car I can get to 600+ hp and drivable.

 

[Herblenny]

I appreciate the info. So is a 20B FD swap worth it at 30k USD?

I guess that's like me asking you is it worth it at $25K CAD to build a Cosmo?? Personally, I would build a FD based as there are far more junk available for an FD vs. Cosmo.. especially drag/street car. Cosmo parts in general are far harder to find vs. FD parts. I know as I been trying to find them... and some japanese vendors no longer support cosmo parts.

I think a built Cosmo would be cheaper since just about everything in a FD would need to be beefed up as well on top of the actual swap.

Hmm.. I agree in part with you..

Part that I agree is that in Canada Cosmo's are pretty cheap. But then you have to think about what I said earlier... There aren't much of available aftermarket parts.. So, many parts needs to be fab'd.

Go under neath your car and see what would need to be fabricated for an manual tranny of some sort... That will all add up.. if not money, your time, design, testing etc.. I think its more expensive to make Cosmo to make 500+RWHP than FD.

Bottomline, you might think it will be cheap because 20B is already in it, but for your purpose, it will need quite of bit of work other than placing the engine into an FD.

I don't think that the Cosmo has a 300hp deficit compared to a FD with 600 lbs additional curb weight before the swap, unless I am missing something.

I'm confused.. Are you implying 20B swap in an FD will weigh additional 600lbs?

 

[Antoine]

very nice car. im really starting to like these cosmos

(rockon)

Hello out there I have a 1990 eunos cosmo e jc3se 101361 with a 13bre in it ,I need a radiator for it . the rad in it is a calsonic n390. any info on where to locate a rad would be very much appreciated .thanks Dave Dutton

Thanks for posting your VIN. Here is your 13B-REW Cosmo birthday

JC3SE-101361 = 15-SEP-90

I'll give you a run down in Aussie Peso's

Good condition used OEM .= AU$0350
Mazda OEM to Australia.... = AU$0800
Custum aluminium version = AU$0800 (small time manufacturer)
Custum aluminium version = AU$1200 (big time manufacturer)

It may be a good idea to start your own thread on the subject so this one isn't "Hi-jacked"

REgards

(mswerd) Welcome to Mazda Forums, Dave...Great to meet another fellow Eunos Cosmo Enthusiast!

Be sure to start your own thread and post (pics)

Props to Dave (DMRH) for posting that juicy radiator info...(thumb)

In my opinion, Cosmo is a cool car and unique rotary. Besides that, there are far better modern cars out there. The amount of money I've spent, I could of gotten a better car at stock form... But I didn't buy this car to make 400 RWHP or plan to track it.. If you want to track it and want a rotary, then get an FD3S. Its cheaper to mod and its LIGHT. But if you want to make 400+HP, then go right ahead! I would like to see it

I paid next to nothing for my Cosmo, so for the money there are no "better" cars." Basically I bought a 20b that just happened to be in a complete car (lol2)

An FD or RX8 is in the future picture as a track car. the Cosmo is to be a wild cruising machine that COULD do some damage at the drag strip. The JC chassis is not terrible by any stretch, it is is no FD or FE I admit. Even if I tire of the Cosmo having a built 20b to drop into something else isn't exactly a problem.

Dream big or don't dream at all.

Not trying to kill your "BIG" dream.. But Cosmo to be competitive at a drag strip means, not so great cruising machine.

Not sure what you paid for.. I'm sure pretty cheap as I've seen few 20B cosmos going for 5 to 10K.. But I think you'll spend triple or more just to be par with some old school rotaries that weighs 1/2 of the cosmo and make half the power.

To be honest with you, as I say this to other guys who tells me, "I'm going to build the ultimate car".. When you get into it, its very tough to do when either money is an issue or time is an issue... Just wanted to point that out to save you time and headache.. And not to kill your "BIG" Dream...

I guess that's like me asking you is it worth it at $25K CAD to build a Cosmo?? Personally, I would build a FD based as there are far more junk available for an FD vs. Cosmo.. especially drag/street car. Cosmo parts in general are far harder to find vs. FD parts. I know as I been trying to find them... and some japanese vendors no longer support cosmo parts.

I think its more expensive to make Cosmo to make 500+RWHP than FD.

Bottomline, you might think it will be cheap because 20B is already in it, but for your purpose, it will need quite of bit of work other than placing the engine into an FD.

Guys...Guys...This is the Eunos Cosmo part of the forums and here we're supposed to posting about enjoying & enhancing the EC...

"Dream big or don't dream at all" (mswerd)

I could have easily purchased a super clean 7 or 8 but I chose the EC because it spoke to me...It's unique, special and full of potential in my opinion.

Simply settling for an FD would have been fine but since I only have room for one car...I wanted something EXTRA special...Something unique...Something with immense potential in my book...The only production automobile in history to come with a ****** engine and sequential twin turbos in an extremely elegant exterior that also happens to be a Mazda!

It saddens me how underrated the EC is...

thousandfaces...I encourage you go ALL OUT in your quest to modify, upgrade and enjoy your EC...Give the car a chance at the spotlight...Pay2Play as I like to say!

 

[Herblenny]

Antoine,

I'm just pointing out the Cost, Benefit, and Purpose..

If someone wants to own an unique car, one of a kind, rare, cruiser, etc.. Then Cosmo is the car. Hence why I bought it..

But drag, 600+HP, 1/4 mile, manual tranny, etc. etc.. Then you have to think other models... Just happens to be that conversation lead to about 3 rotor FD, which I'm also building..

Bottomline, don't look at what I'm saying as discouragement.. but more to help out. I don't want someone to spend thousands of dollars and year(s) of time to have something they might get rid of because some un foreseen issues. I've seen many while I was involved in rotary community.. I'm just laying things out so people sees what's out there... Trying to help

 

[Antoine]

I hear ya but we all know that the EC doesn't receive nearly as much love as it should...Especially considering it's the HOME of the 20B!

If an EC owner has time, money and LOTS OF PASSION than I encourage them to challenge the potential of the Cosmo and not just take the mainstream route with a 7...Just my two cents...

It really comes down to patience, commitment and passion...I hope that all the EC Owners out there now are not ones to give up easily!

In the end...It's all about whatever "floats your boat"...(thumb)

Now, let's not threadjack thousandfaces's thread...Got any updates!?

 

[Herblenny]

I hear ya but we all know that the EC doesn't receive nearly as much love as it should...Especially considering it's the HOME of the 20B!

When you say love, I'm assuming love for modifying?? JC is an iconic car for most rotorheads who knows about this car.. And a test to see who's a diehard car enthusiast. Far as I know in the states, only 3 are street legal and one that sits in a garage for years because it can't get a title. But mostly people don't mod because there aren't many aftermarket parts available.. Especially those of us don't live in Japan or Australia... Even than its hard to find parts... But here in the states, its combination of both.. Not able to find one with street legal title.

Also, another thing to be considered when modifying cars such as this.. Which is, since its so rare, is it to keep it original as possible or modify to loose its value as a collectors. That was something I had to consider (as I bought this as a collectors car) when I got the custom exhaust... which I'll still be keeping the original rusted exhaust just in case..

I'm trying to do both and I bought a front clip so I could keep one stock and mod the other.. Luckily I'm somewhat fortunate to be able to do this, but not many can.. which brings back to full circle of what you want to do with the car and how much money, time, and such.

If an EC owner has time, money and LOTS OF PASSION than I encourage them to challenge the potential of the Cosmo and not just take the mainstream route with a 7...Just my two cents...

Per what I stated above, reason why 7 owners drop in the 20B is because it could be driven on the road and in a platform where it would be more advantageous.. I think its similar to any rotary owners.. If they have the money, time, and passion, all rotary would be unique.. Also, if you look at the actual percentage of 7 owners with 3 rotors, they are still a rare sight. I say less than 1% of FD owners has a 20B in it. So, its not like everyone is doing this swap...